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Bush Takes on Christian Right Over Anti-Islam Words
ABC News ^ | November 13, 2002 | By Randall Mikkelsen

Posted on 11/14/2002 5:36:24 AM PST by Damocles

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Pretty misleading title. Bush did not single out the "Christian Right", but hey, that sells.
1 posted on 11/14/2002 5:36:24 AM PST by Damocles
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To: Damocles
W. continues Leadership from the top down. While I agree with many Christian leaders that Islam is a gutter religion bent on violence and world dominance, I do not believe that should be the official policy of the United States...a nation founded on religious freedom.
2 posted on 11/14/2002 5:40:59 AM PST by copycat
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To: Damocles
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists and to paint them all with a broad brush is irresponsible. I agree with Bush on this one.

That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics. It does no good to Islam when even clerics are alleged to have been involved in terrorist murders--such as those in Bali.

3 posted on 11/14/2002 5:42:44 AM PST by randita
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To: copycat
Excellent points.
4 posted on 11/14/2002 5:43:07 AM PST by rintense
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To: Damocles
Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. By adding the words "Christian Right" the news media can get quick attention from the flaming liberals.

On the other hand, I would like to see Pat Robertson bite his tongue a little more often. He does make some stupid remarks, and I'm not just referring to Muslims. He is an embarrassment to the Conservative Christian, and has been proven to be hypocritical with his "business ventures".

5 posted on 11/14/2002 5:48:22 AM PST by TommyDale
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To: copycat
W. continues Leadership from the top down.

Unquestionably. The question is, where is this particular direction leading us? Specifically, is President Bush correct in his assessment or is he merely being politically correct for the sake of a media and an opposition party which seeks any opportunity, real or imagined, to dispute his leadership?

While I agree with many Christian leaders that Islam is a gutter religion bent on violence and world dominance, I do not believe that should be the official policy of the United States...a nation founded on religious freedom.

I don't see this as an "official policy" issue, but merely the words of some Christian leaders vs. the words of the President of the US. Like you, I have concerns about Islam. I just wonder whether it was necessary for the President to say anything at all.

6 posted on 11/14/2002 5:49:50 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: Damocles
"Bush said such anti-Islamic comments were at odds with the views of most Americans"

Sorry, I can't take the word of a man that claims he knows or understands the "views" of most Americans about Islam, when he obviously doesn't understand the "views" of most Americans on immigration/visas and open borders. Just doesn't cut it somehow.

7 posted on 11/14/2002 5:51:36 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Can't say I disagree with your analysis.
8 posted on 11/14/2002 5:52:13 AM PST by Damocles
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To: randita
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists

So what? That doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of terrorists are muslims, now, does it?

Islam is evil. Islam is the problem.

Clean out the mosques and deport the muslims.

9 posted on 11/14/2002 5:54:40 AM PST by Gurn
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The "Christian Right" is a bogeyman for the lib/socialists.

It's what they use to scare each other while roasting tofumallows.

"If you don't vote against them, they'll look disapprovingly at your cheek piercing and dog collar tattoos!"

10 posted on 11/14/2002 5:56:08 AM PST by MrB
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Probably a calculated response to the Binny tape telling American muslims to take up arms against their countrymen. It's for public consumption....to keep the peace at home. W's personal beliefs on Islam aren't important in this matter at this time.
11 posted on 11/14/2002 5:58:32 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: randita
The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists and to paint them all with a broad brush is irresponsible. I agree with Bush on this one.

Is it not also irresponsible to deliberately mislead those who elected you? Is it really true that the "vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists"? Perhaps that depends on what definition of terrorism we choose to use. For example, as you said below...

That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

Question: When those who are not terrorists DO NOT do as you suggest, what does that mean? What does it mean when those who are not themselves terrorists provide emotional support for those who are by applauding or justifying or even excusing the actions of Muslim terrorists? Let's go on...

Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics. It does no good to Islam when even clerics are alleged to have been involved in terrorist murders--such as those in Bali.

Have you noticed that Muslims DO denounce terrorism when they are in the minority and are concerned that the majority might be prejudiced against them because of the actions of Muslim terrorists, BUT are silent or applaud terrorism when they perceive no negative repurcussions to their own communities? For example, many Muslims did denounce the 9/11 attacks, but were silent when a Muslim gunned down some Jewish teens in NYC several years ago. That kind of action, or lack of action, makes me wonder about whether "tarring them all with the same brush" isn't somewhat justified by their conduct. No doubt, there were some who protest against all terrorist actions....however, do they protest loud enough and is anyone listening?

12 posted on 11/14/2002 5:59:06 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: randita
That being said, those who are not terrorists should rise up with fervor and denounce loudly and repeatedly the terrorist actions that bring shame to them all.

The question is, why haven't muslims risen up and denounced such action. Because Christianity and a God none other than theirs is the enemy. American, England are not muslim nations and therefore are enemies.

The whole purpose of islam is to subjugate everyone to their religion by force.

Look at their history.

13 posted on 11/14/2002 6:01:31 AM PST by sirchtruth
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To: randita; copycat; rintense
What is known about the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) which protested the remarks of Pat Robertson so strongly? Wasn't this organization denounced as sympathetic to terrorists by Steven Emerson?
14 posted on 11/14/2002 6:04:13 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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Probably a calculated response to the Binny tape telling American muslims to take up arms against their countrymen. It's for public consumption....to keep the peace at home.

I apologize for my ignorance, but I fail to understand your point. GWB's statement may placate the liberals somewhat but, if history is any teacher, will only earn him the contempt of Muslims here and abroad. Witness the multiple concessions the Israelis have given - has it earned them any points with the Muslims either in the ME or here? Further, witness how some quasi-Jewish organization joined CAIR in denouncing anti-Muslim remarks and applauding GWB - will that earn them any sympathy in the American Muslim community? I don't know the answers, but I have my suspicions.

W's personal beliefs on Islam aren't important in this matter at this time.

Again, I fail to understand. GWB is proving more and more to be a real leader. People will emulate/adopt his positions. IF GWB is misleading the majority as to the true nature of Islam and Muslims through his views, we may all end up paying a greater price than if GWB either was silent or spoke out on what he expects from the "non-terrorist" Muslim majority, e.g., total cooperation in the fight against ALL terrorism - perhaps even above and beyond what is expected from non-Muslim Americans.

15 posted on 11/14/2002 6:12:08 AM PST by h.a. cherev
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To: randita
Especially vociferous in denunciation should be all Muslim clerics.

And don't you imagine there is a reason that the clerics do not speak up. They are probably afraid of their own religion.

16 posted on 11/14/2002 6:16:17 AM PST by Pure Country
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To: Gurn
Lets see if GWB & "most Americans" agree when the next large terrorist attack happens here & the suicide bombings begin. The fact is, Muslims will ALWAYS defend each other even if a wrong is done.
17 posted on 11/14/2002 6:28:42 AM PST by Far Right Of Left
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To: Damocles
"Obviously, we'd like to hear him repudiate these people by name, but we appreciate that he's moving in that direction," said Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

Maybe that will happen the day CAIR humbles itself and repudiates the jihad against the west.

18 posted on 11/14/2002 6:33:54 AM PST by doc30
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To: h.a. cherev
I don't think he's ready to publicly state that all muslims are evil and it's time to root everyone of them out of their homes to place in camps. As for his deeper and theological beliefs about Islam, it matters no more than what Saddam has to say about America in his recent screed to the U.N. The plan is still the same.
19 posted on 11/14/2002 6:39:14 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: randita
Thank you for your first paragraph. When I said something similar on another thread, I was told that Muslims that do not condone the terrorist activities, just aren't real Muslims! I don't necessarily feel that they should stand up and denounce others though. The majority of Muslims in the world aren't Americans, thus they just don't think like we do or want them to. Most on freerepublic seem to think that the rest of the world should act and think like us, which just isn't realistic. A lot of people just can't seem to grasp the possibility that those Islamics that are involved in terrorism, and the annihilation of non-Muslims, are operating under a political agenda, and using Islam to manipulate the Muslim population. That population which, for reasons of ethnicity, economics, education, etc., are easily led/manipulated. I agree with the president, in that it is not the religion, it is the individuals, that are guilty.
20 posted on 11/14/2002 6:45:24 AM PST by stuartcr
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