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To: zarf
"The conspiracy mouth breathers have just had their hearts ripped out."

Isn't there still recordings of police, fire/rescue, and BATF confirmation of unexploded bombs still in the bldg? Doesn't the presence of unexploded bombs by it's very nature indicate a conspiracy? What of the bldg. on the other side of the street suffering little damage though it was at about the same distance?

It's easy to ridicule and dismiss people who raise uncomfortable questions as tinfoilers but until I see these questions recieve credible answers, I won't be so fast to trust this or any investigation brought to us by the same folks who gave us the single bullet theory.

Besides, Elvis told me this was an inside job.

15 posted on 11/14/2002 5:06:09 AM PST by Hitlerys uterus
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To: Hitlerys uterus
To be fair, there is a reasonable explanation of reports of unexploded bombs. There were press reports that the ATF had a missile rigged for use in a sting operation stored in their offices. It was meant to look very real, with small amounts of real propellant and HE payload, but with almost all of it actually inert.

OTOH, it is not credible that the bomb was built by one man. A single 55 gallon drum wieghs about 400# when full. Try getting that onto a truck without a loading dock or liftgate. Try mixing a drum-full of anything. Heck, try mixing lots of pancake batter by hand (say 25# flour, crate of eggs, a few gallons milk...) without an industrial mixer. There is no way any one guy could mix all that ANFO in one night. Look at the number of people who mixed the WTC '93 bomb, and you have a good estimate for how many John Does we need to look for.

There are enough wacky ideas to go around. Some people think TWA800 was hit by a meteor, or that some kind of electromagnetic death ray was used. Why make stuff up? Terrorists are real and they are here, and have been here committing terrorist acts since the 80's, at least. When two embassies are blown up by similar means by Islamic terrorists, looking for terrorist connections in OKC is perfectly rational.

20 posted on 11/14/2002 5:48:59 AM PST by eno_
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Isn't there still recordings of police, fire/rescue, and BATF confirmation of unexploded bombs still in the bldg?

No. What you had was rescue efforts stopped while EOD teams checked SUSPECTED unexploded bombs. The rule of thumb is that, when in doubt, assume it's live.

What of the bldg. on the other side of the street suffering little damage though it was at about the same distance?

The truck detonated curbside next to the building. The other building was across the street. For the situation you describe to exist, the truck would have had to have been in the center of the street--which it was not.

22 posted on 11/14/2002 5:59:06 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Hitlerys uterus
Isn't there still recordings of police, fire/rescue, and BATF confirmation of unexploded bombs still in the bldg? Doesn't the presence of unexploded bombs by it's very nature indicate a conspiracy? What of the bldg. on the other side of the street suffering little damage though it was at about the same distance?

I also was curious about stories of other bombs, but a friend on the police force told me that, when there is a suspicious object which might be a bomb, the practice is to speak of it as a bomb and treat as if it were a bomb, until it's proven to be something harmless. In the aftermath of the Murrah Bldg explosion, there was stuff out of place everywhere; clock radios, bits of furniture, parts from computers, and even lunchboxes, all thrown around by the blast and sometimes lying in the strangest places. Each of these had to be treated as maybe a bomb.

Considering that the actual OKC bomb was a truck bomb -- it left an enormous crater where the truck had been, blew the front and rear bumpers of the truck in opposite directions about one and a half block radius from the crater, and the damage clearly had an epicenter at the crater -- it is very unlikely that someone who was able to plant bombs inside the building would have also used a truck bomb .... or that, having used a truck bomb so successfully, so many interior bombs didn't go off at all.

The Murrah Bldg was only about twelve or fifteen feet from the truck, other bldgs were considerably farther (with a parking lot between them and the truck, which absorbed and disappated the blast in their direction) but they still suffered significant damage. One of the reasons that the Murrah Bldg was so thoroughly wrecked was, in addition to the proximity, the blast hit this rectangular building broadside almost dead center on one side, and the blast had the effect of momentarily twisting the building, which ruptured virtually every sort of support - much like getting the ice cubes out of one of those plastic ice cube trays by twisting both ends.

44 posted on 11/14/2002 8:30:07 AM PST by DonQ
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To: Hitlerys uterus
"What of the bldg. on the other side of the street suffering little damage though it was at about the same distance?"

What building across the street? I have heard this repeated for years now. The building across the street, the old Journal Record building, was heavily damaged, had numerous casualties among the workers inside. In addition, it was not "across the street". It was separated by a parking lot, in addition to a multi-lane street (5th), and was probably 150-175 feet north of the north side of 5th street. BTW churches on the SE and SW corners, both across the street and partially shielded by the Murrah bldg were heavily damaged.

53 posted on 11/14/2002 8:55:56 AM PST by Don Carlos
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