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Camera saw figure in bomb truck , Oklahoma City video is unclear, but it may show John Doe No. 2
The Kansas City Star | October 28,1995 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/13/2002 10:39:39 AM PST by honway

The Kansas City Star
October 28, 1995
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Edition: METROPOLITAN
Page: A4

Camera saw figure in bomb truck

Oklahoma City video is unclear, but it may show John Doe No. 2.

The Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY - Videotape from a surveillance camera captured a glimpse of a shadowy figure in the passenger seat of a bomb-laden Ryder truck minutes before it blew apart the federal building, a federal law enforcement source says.

The footage is not clear enough to identify anyone, but it adds to the body of evidence that a third figure - perhaps the long-sought John Doe No. 2 - took part in the attack with two other persons, the source said.

``There's a shape in there, but they can't see a face,'' the source said of footage, which was taken by a camera on a nearby apartment building. The camera picked up the shadowy passenger about three minutes before the bomb went off April 19 at the Murrah Federal Building.

The government says Timothy McVeigh drove to Oklahoma City in the truck, parked it in front of the federal building and made his getaway in a yellow Mercury Marquis. But prosecutors have given no indication that Terry Nichols, also charged in the case, was in Oklahoma City the day of the bombing.

Although a federal grand jury indicted only McVeigh and Nichols on murder and conspiracy charges, agents scoured the country for a third conspirator, known only as John Doe No. 2, who was portrayed in sketches distributed shortly after the blast.

Authorities later said that an innocent Army private resembled the sketches. But the drawings were never withdrawn. Moreover, the indictment accuses McVeigh and Nichols of acting with ``others unknown,'' and agents were still hunting for other conspirators.

A call Friday to Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Mullins, a spokesman for the prosecution team, was not returned immediately.

Prosecutors repeatedly refused to discuss surveillance tape or other evidence in the case.

McVeigh's lawyer, Stephen Jones, said he had not seen the tape and could not comment.

A senior federal official in Washington said recently that agents currently searching did not expect to turn up another key player in the plot.

The law enforcement source, however, said many investigators remained convinced that John Doe No. 2 was still at large.

McVeigh and Nichols go on trial May 17.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; johndoe2; okcbombing
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In my opinion, the fact that there was a videotape of a second man with McVeigh in the Ryder truck is significant. It means that there is a man that participated in the mass murder of 168 innocent people who is free to repeat his crime. Even more importantly, no one in law enforcement is looking for him.

As citizens, do we have a right to expect an explanation from our elected represenatives as to why our law enforcement officials are not interested in prosecuting the man in the Ryder truck with McVeigh?

1 posted on 11/13/2002 10:39:39 AM PST by honway
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FYI
2 posted on 11/13/2002 10:41:23 AM PST by honway
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To: OKCSubmariner; BlueDogDemo; MizSterious
FYI
3 posted on 11/13/2002 10:42:30 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
Is this him?


4 posted on 11/13/2002 10:44:31 AM PST by Drango
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To: Drango
Ya think?


5 posted on 11/13/2002 10:47:30 AM PST by IncPen
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To: honway; All
Cross-link:

-The OKC Bombing Roundup--

6 posted on 11/13/2002 10:52:19 AM PST by backhoe
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To: backhoe
There is no record of this Associated Press news article in either archives of the two major newspapers in Oklahoma, The Daily Oklahoman or Tulsa World. Until I go through copies of the newspapers from the last week in October 1995, I am not prepared to say this article never appeared in print in those papers.

Considering the reporter that wrote the article was in Oklahoma City and has impeccable credentials, I am surprised it is not in the archives for the Daily Oklahoman or Tusa World. I will be even more surprised if it never made it in the print version of the newspapers.

So far, I know the article appeared in the Baton Rouge Advocate and the Chicago Tribune.

8 posted on 11/13/2002 11:08:03 AM PST by honway
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To: *OKCbombing
OKC Bombing bump list
9 posted on 11/13/2002 11:11:20 AM PST by honway
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10 posted on 11/13/2002 11:14:35 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
Is it John Doe or Mohammed Doe?
11 posted on 11/13/2002 11:18:43 AM PST by Gary Boldwater
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Hey guys, so far the sourcing and research that went into this post look to be high-quality.

I don't follow the OKC stuff very closely, but I do know this: One man cannot mix that much ANFO by himself. When I was a lad of modest means, I worked as a groundskeeper, and just moving that much material on and off a truck (no dock or lift-gate) is a lot of work! Have you ever tried to mix a drumful of anything? Buy a 25# bag of flour and a crate of eggs and try making pancake batter out of it, without a food-service sized mixer. For most people, hand-mixing one wheelbarrow load of cement is tough. There are probably Joe Does #3 and #4 out there too, just for the manpower for making the bomb.
12 posted on 11/13/2002 11:19:46 AM PST by eno_
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To: honway
BUMP
13 posted on 11/13/2002 11:19:59 AM PST by RippleFire
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Cameras high atop the United States Court House, directly across the street, maintain a vigil eye.

Link to photo of cameras on the U.S. Court House

14 posted on 11/13/2002 11:21:27 AM PST by honway
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To: honway
Is this the tape that Jayna Davis says exists, but has not been found?
15 posted on 11/13/2002 11:23:14 AM PST by twigs
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To: Drango

16 posted on 11/13/2002 11:23:25 AM PST by Jaxter
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To: backhoe
Thanks for keeping a data base of URL's on this. Do you save the threads on your hard drive, too? (Threads DO have a way of disappearing around here.) If this is needed and somebody lets me know, I'll do it. However, I am sure the guys have already seen to this.
17 posted on 11/13/2002 11:26:23 AM PST by JudyB1938
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To: eno_
True enough, I believe in the WTC bombing, it was several people involved in the mixing.
18 posted on 11/13/2002 11:32:53 AM PST by hobbes1
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Is this the tape that Jayna Davis says exists, but has not been found?

There were numerous surveillance tapes that were confiscated by the FBI that substaniated the eyewitness testimony stating that there was another man with McVeigh in OKC on the morning of April 19th. These tapes have been intentionally withheld from the public by the FBI. They were not shown to the Federal Grand Jury or at the trial. In fact, the prosecution did not present at trial a single eyewitness that placed McVeigh in OKC on the morning of the bombing, even though there were many witnesses that saw McVeigh that morning. Some picked him out of a line up.

The problem was that each eyewitness that saw McVeigh saw him with another man, John Doe 2, and so the prosecution did not present the eyewitnesses at trial or the videotapes showing McVeigh at the Murrah Building with John Doe 2.

19 posted on 11/13/2002 11:35:59 AM PST by honway
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To: JudyB1938
When I compose a post like that, I do it in a notepad or wordpad file, so all the data at the beginning ( before any replies accumulate ) is saved, and I keep a backup on a floppy- too many HD crashes around here to regard it as safe. I have not, however, saved the later replies, which usually shed much more light on a subject.
20 posted on 11/13/2002 11:36:21 AM PST by backhoe
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