Passive Smoking Doesn't Cause Cancer - Official

13 November 2002

[LS]

Great, thank you.

[Just another Joe]

We don't deny that smoking can be a risk factor for those that smoke.
What we're talking about here is second hand smoke, or ETS (Environmental Tobacco Smoke), and it is an entirely different story.

[Gabz]

I've got the adobe acrobat - but I just a blank page - no download.

I did provide a link to the abstract a couple of posts back, though.

[Just another Joe]

I've got the adobe acrobat

What version?

[borisbob69]

There are some rights enumerated in various documents formulated by the Founding Fathers and regardless of how people (like you) may feel about smoking...as long as it's legal I (and other smokers) should be able to pursue my happiness without interference from others!

[SheLion]

Thank you, Gabz. I knew one of us would find it.

Thanks again!

[Eva]

Yeah, I know that most of you don't deny the risk factor, but the poster that I was addressing said that she thought that smoking had no effect on any one until they were old. (elder was the word she used).

[been_lurking]

but I don't want THEIR smoke served with MY steak.

I wonder how THEY feel about the smoke from YOUR steak???

[SheLion]

you go girl.
I grew up in a small house with Multiple chain smokers, Used to be able to see a blue cloud of smoke taking up the whole middle level of the room I never had any problems with sports, running, or whatever. Some people are just overly sensitive.

Oh wow. I have a whole list of athletics I used to do, even as a smoker. Some people, especially today, with all the anti-smokers trash out there making the general public half afraid to leave their own homes, is getting WAY out of hand.

[Just another Joe]

That depends on the individual.
Some have no problem, even doing athletic type things, others are affected to a higher degree.

[Gabz]

I've got 5.0

I had to reboot my system and now I'm getting it.

I had this poor box totally overloaded - I need a new puter - SOON (like last month!!!)

[Just another Joe]

Oh. OK.

[metesky]

Of course I have a bad spitting habit and sometimes hit others in the face. This is ok too, isn't it?

Very mature response. I bet it works too! For about the 1/2 second it would take for even a fifteen year old or a woman to respond.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

Hey buddy, try all you like to find it this year, you won't. The dateline is 3/8/98, be my guest and look for it there. I realize how important it is to HAVE the actual study on your browser.

Anything else I can answer, please let me know.

[metesky]

You should have killed them, the evil b*stards.

[Gabz]

No othanks necessary - I'm just happy I had a printed version of it laying around - otherwise I would never have remembered the URL!!!!!!1

[XDemocrat]

Your diagnosis is based on your medical and psychological training of course, or is it just the ramblings of a drug addict. Don't tell me you can quit any time you want, just like my dad, my uncle, my wife's mother, and grandfather who all smoked heavily and all died of emphysema, and heart problems, but no cancer. I've spent thousands on allergy doctors and clinics, all of them say my sinus problems are the result of growing up in a house of heavy smokers. Of course their not quite as good at diagnosing smoking related problems as a tar lunged drug addict.

[SheLion]

Sadly, you are wrong on your evaluation of the dangers of smoking.

You may not live to be an elder, if you are a heavy smoker. It has been proven that the earlier you start smoking, the more damage it does to your lungs and the higher the likelyhood of cancer.

My father had a massive heart attack at 48 and died at 52 from a heart condition that was severely exascerbated by his heavy smoking habit. His mother died of lung cancer at 59 and my maternal grandfather died of lung cancer at 59, also (both smokers). That is not very old.

I have other relatives that have died of smoking related cancers, too, but they at least lived to be senior citizens. Still, it is not a pleasant way to die.

How do you know I am not an "elder" already? heh!  Yes, I started smoking at the age of 16. I was totally active for most of my life.  Every year, I go for my annual complete physical.  My lungs are always clear.  My Doctor knows I smoke, but when he listens to my heart and lungs, he says not a word.

Actually, I smoke a pack and a half a day.  Not exactly a heavy smoker.  As for cancer:  I had it twice in my life!  5 years of radioactive iodine treatments which threw me into complete isolation for 5 days at a time every 6 months. Second time, I had another major surgery, followed by 6 months of chemotherapy.  Both times, I had a team of Doctors.  They ask me if I smoked, how much, and each time, both teams told me my cancers were NOT caused by smoking and not one of them advised me to quit.

My one grandmother died at age 42.  Never smoked a day in her life.  My other grandmother smoked three packs of non filtered Camels a day, lived to be 86 and died from old age. My grandfathers both smoked and lived well into their late 70's.

I realize that lung cancer would not be the preferred method of death, but so far, I am one of the lucky ones.  Truthfully, I believe it's generics.  What is heredity.  Some can do it and some can not.  It just the choices we all make.

[Madame Dufarge]

Maybe this will help

Of course there will those risky few seconds when you have to lift the hood to spit in someone's face

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[SheLion]

Always timely. Once a month at least. Thanks again.