Posted on 11/13/2002 9:23:09 AM PST by SheLion
Hell! Life causes cancer! Fried greasy foods cause cancer of the pancreas. Unprotected sex causes cancer of the genital areas. Alcohol causes cancer of the liver and/or stomach. I could go on and on.
Just stay away from passive smoke. What can I tell you? We all make our way through this life.
Hey! Don't laugh. But the government is making it VERY hard on our Maine fishermen today. It's really bad.
Oh! LOL! You can do that! It's easier when your a man. hehe!
Do you understand what this means ?
Again: ...the scientists have found that there was no statistical evidence that passive smoking caused lung cancer.
Feel free to ignore us.
And that is exactly what I do. My 23 year old son smokes - outside - my house my rules hehe.
Don't get me wrong - I think the lawsuits were a bunch of croc. I think all the anti-smoking laws are a bunch of bull. if you or my son or anyone chooses to indulge, that is your prerogative and no one should tell you if you can or cannot smoke.
I personally choose not to, and I choose to dine etc in a smoke-free environment. But I also know that if I choos4e to go to a bar or a casino, etc - then I am making the conscious decision to enter a smokefilled area.
Don't confuse my belief that cigarette smoke caused my cancer as a statement that I support any and all anti-smoking crap. All I was saying is that i know what happened to me, no matter what this study says - heck maybe I am that "Statistically insignificant" person - LOL!
Now what are the odds any particular person's kids are going to get it? Not that high. I guess they just have to make a decision based on exactly how much pleasure it gives the person and how much of a risk it's worth.
In the end though you are right as it is for individual parents to make the right choice. Any allusion to government involvement I made was absolutely ill-conceived and in conflict with my otherwise consistent suspicion of government intervention.
Posting this before reading the next 200+ messages, I know I'm running a big risk of being redundant, but yes, we DO have the actual study.
This article was published in 1998 when the results of the IARC study were leaked to the reporter. The honchos in the anti movement (Glantz, Repace, Daynard, et al) came out swinging. Since they hadn't seen the study they had only this article to go on, but they screeched "This is garbage science!" "The science is obviously flawed..." "the study sample was obviously too small" and on and on and on.
A couple of weeks later, WHO sent out its own press release, attempting to heal the rift between themselves and their cheering section. The headlines screamed: PASSIVE SMOKING DOES CAUSE LUNG CANCER--DO NOT LET THEM FOOL YOU! in huge black type in virtually every major paper in the country.
Bear in mind, the actual statistics of the study didn't change at all, from the Telegraph's first publication to the final sweep by WHO. But the very same anti-smoker gurus suddenly began to tout the study to the skies!
Interestingly, on WHO's own website is an allegedly compelling list of studies purporting to PROVE the harm done by environmental tobacco smoke, but their very own IARC study was conveniently omitted.
And even MORE interestingly, just last month or so, WHO gathered up a bunch of anti-smoker "scientists" from around the world to create a "report" (not a study) that used meta-analysis of selected "studies" to determine shs is even MORE dangerous than they'd previously thought!!! Imagine that!
Now the press release about that "report" is being used as "proof," even though the meta-analysis won't be released until next year and even the Abstract isn't yet available. Can you say "conclusions without foundation," children?
And they wonder why those of us with the curiosity to search for the truth and the intelligence to understand it have no faith in the establishment.
Your experiences are yours, and don't parallel those of many of the smokers and nonsmokers (not antis) you'll find here. You don't like smoking, fine. Stay away from smokers. Believe me, we don't want anti-smokers like you around anyway. There are many doctors here, and whether you want to believe it or not, many of them realize that the War on Smokers is not about health, it's about power and money. Try to get past your hatred and think clearly (e.g., non-democrat) and you'll see that insults and abuse get you nothing but in-kind responses and ADULTS have the right to engage in risky behaviors if they so desire.
Cigarette smoke washes off; bigotry is to the bone.
See, now I tried to help you, and you just go and shoot yourself in the ass again. Stop spouting fascist propaganda and learn to THINK! Oh, wait, I forgot, you're a dummycrat in conversative's clothing. Thinking's not a prerequisite.
just what would an old woman or 15 yr old do to an ex viet nam vet, black belt instructor packing heat?</p?
That just might depend on who else is around when you do your spitting, son. Some of US pack heat, too, and we've had a hell of a lot longer to practice our marksmanship than you have.
chnsmok, wait until she rebels against her parents' tight hairnets, and she will, and she'll be coming over to smoke with you!
SheLion, you lie like a rug (said affectionately and with humor). When they make tobacco illegal, you'll do the same thing I will. Tell them to stick it in their ear or another part of their anatomy and continue to smoke.
Amazin', ain't it? Some of these threads founder after three or four posts, but with an onslaught of antis, the discussion gets hot. (That's the only thing they're good for.)
Most adults have little interest in "honoring" (I can't believe you said that) your children or their interests.
I can't believe I MISSED that. Yes, minnie is one of those lib parents who believe adults should cater to the little darlins' whims. I've been known to mutter "frickin' freaks" about such children--and parents--myself.
I guess this concept is just too hard for mean-spirited, closed-minded, fuzzy-headed nico-Nazis to grasp, but I'll say it again. And again. And again. As often as necessary.
If the restaurant owner doesn't mind that you carry bleach into HIS/HER restaurant, why the hell should I care? It's not MY business. AND, I would exercise my RIGHT to stay out of that bleach-friendly restaurant. Just like you should exercise your absolute right to stay out of restaurants that welcome smokers.
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