National sales tax gains momentum

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

[AAABEST]

Holy shit. I'm doing one of my JimSpy missions and you're saying all the right things. The JimRob I know and love.

You just made my day sir.

[AAABEST]

Quoting the constitution and getting to the heart of REAL issues!

[unixfox]

Took the words right off my keyboard.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, despite the claims of those of no faith, my views have not changed one iota. My long term mission remains the same as it's always been. Long term is to restore the Constitution to its rightful place as the supreme law of the land. Short term is to block as many American hating socialism loving democrats as possible from gaining power. And, sorry, Libertarians are too few and too weak to matter other than to act as spoilers in a handful of races. It's Democrats vs Republicans. That's it for the forseeable future. And I'll proudly stand with the Republican vs the Democrat in every race in this great country, thank you very much.

[AAABEST]

It's a little more complicated than pulling levers on election day Jim. There's a whole lot more to America than that. You don't have to thank me, I'm just doing what I do.

[Jim Robinson]

Thanks, but it's not complicated at all. Like I said, it's a two party system. You're either gonna have Democrats or Republicans running the government. I don't want it to be Democrats. It ain't exactly rocket science.

[AAABEST]

OK lemme get this straight. All we're supposed to do as Americans is go to the polls every 2 years and push buttons for one party or the other? There's nothing else we can do to create awareness, effect change or do our civic duty?

Sorry, some of us look at effecting change as much, much more than that. You should too. It kind of is like rocket science, as it's going to take a lot of very smart and very dedicated people to engender substantive change. There's much more to America that party politics.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, I'll put it this way. I would love nothing better than to see the complete destruction of the leftist/marxist Democrat Party before it completely destroys what's left of America. Then the political battle can be waged between the Republicans and the Libertarians or which ever major parties can muster enough strength to win the voters. In the meantime, we will continue on best as we can.

[AAABEST]

Well, I would love notihng more than to see the destruction of the socialist party. The Libertarians are nearly irrelevant at this point.

I'm saying is there is so much going on out there, outside of the party politics "box". There are many ways to make a footprint, many ways to affect politics and accomplish the mission posted on the index.htm of this forum.

What's needed is very dedicated Americans who use the gifts that God has given them to do what's needed to be done.

[Jim Robinson]

Well, I'm hoping we FReepers can continue on what we've been doing. I mean, I don't think we've just been whistling Dixie here. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

[ThinkDifferent]

AMEN!!! If the KILL the income tax, a national retail sales tax is fine. But if they only lower it, then they can raise taxes just by jacking up the income tax one year and the sales tax the next.

That's why HR2525 entirely eliminates the income tax and destroys existing tax records. It wouldn't be easy to start it up again. After the NRST is in place, the 16th Amendment should be repealed, but practically it can't be done beforehand.

[nopardons]

" Used " books and jewels and furniture and paintings and object D'art are ALL now sunject to sales tax. Never heard of " A-N-T-I-Q-U-E-S " ? "Used " clothing, in some parts of this country, are also now sunject to sales tax. Since a " sales tax " is the same as a CONSUPTION TAX , which is what is being suggested to replace ethe income tax ( or didn't you read the article ? ), it stands to reason that there would be NO revocation of a sales PLUS a consumption tax, should this ever ( GOD forbid ! ) pass into being.

No goods nor services will come down in price. That's NOT how the world works.

With a very reduced , or NO ( prefferable ) Capital Gains tax, we'd be far better off, than with a consumption tax on EVERYTHING ; including stock / option / mutual fund investiment. You obviously know nothing about the market.

I don't pay sales tax at the beauty parlour. Should this pass, I would have to. WHERE IS THE SAVING ?

I don't pay sales tax on a lot of things, now. I'm in the higest income tax bracket and yes, I AM over taxed ! This solution, as much as you like it, would make me pay even MORE; unless I stopped buying things that aren't totally necessary. I guess that you have no memories of what transpired, when the " LUXURY TAX " , on certain items, was instituted. Hint, hint ... yacht & luxury boat builders almost went out of business completely.

[Jim Robinson]

Competition is how the world works. If I can profit by producing and selling a product cheaper than you, and I have the resources and ability to do, I will. Or someone else will.

[nopardons]

Since I haven't EVER ( we paid the full price, whenever we bought a place ) a mortgage, I don't personally care about a mortgage deduction. OTOH, most people DO and having to pay a consumption tax, when buying a home / co-op / condo will stiffle the housing market.

As for charitable giving, the high enders wouldn't donate as much. You want proof ? Once musem donations were tightened up / lowered , re deductability, they've all fallen off.

[nopardons]

Some people don't want to own a home ( as unbelieveable, as that might seem to you ) and prefer to rent. This then penalizes renters.

I don't know where YOU live; however, a $100,000 house / apartment , in the areas that I am familiar with, are SHACKS !

[nopardons]

That they will; but that brings us back to those here, screaming about things being made in China, etc.; doesn't it ? :-)

[Willie Green]

Competition is how the world works. If I can profit by producing and selling a product cheaper than you, and I have the resources and ability to do, I will. Or someone else will.

It's a marvelous and excellent concept when practiced on a level playing field, such as the common set of laws and regulations defined by the jurisdictional boundaries of our Constitution.

Other than that, I'm not very fond of the prospect of "competeing" with Chinese wages and benefits. That giant sucking sound is like an enormous economic black hole.

[EternalVigilance]

The end of the income tax and its replacement by the NRST will do all of these things and more:

Restore liberty.

Restore personal and business privacy.

End the hidden nature of most of the current system.

Bring all the various taxes into ONE TAX that is transparent and visible.

Leave only one tax debate left in DC---what is the rate?

Unify all Americans in one goal---reducing the rate by cutting unconstitutional, outside the enumerated powers, spending.

Create true campaign finance reform by ending the world's largest protection racket (ask Bill Gates what happens when you don't pony up).

Remove the huge tax and compliance burden on American businesses, making them finally more competitive than anyone else in the world market.

End the competitive advantage enjoyed in our own markets by foreign producers (they now bear none of the burdens built into their products caused by tax and compliance costs)...making them pay the cost of competing in our markets by being taxed at the point of sale.

Vastly increase savings and capital formation (which are the foundation stones of productivity and prosperity).

Reverse our huge trade deficits, and bring tons of capital and high-paying jobs back to our shores.

Reempower the States, since it is they who would be collecting this tax rather than the IRS (All but a few of the states already have a simple nonintrusive structure in place for collections).

Etc., Etc, Etc.....

I have said for years that if I could accomplish any single thing through my political activism that would guarantee the future freedom and prosperity of my children and grandchildren, this would be it!

EV

[Jim Robinson]

You've convinced me. Where do I sign up?

[EternalVigilance]

LOL...I knew I didn't have to convince you! ;-)

The question in my mind for years has been 'when will we reach critical mass'---having educated enough Americans about the historical, the moral, the economic and the political reasons that we should do this---to actually create the political tsunami it would take to force the politicians to go along...giving up their most potent weapon for gaining and keeping power.

We have made huge strides in recent years within the GOP...we have virtually won the argument. But I doubt we have quite made the case yet to the American electorate. This is not a sound-bite issue.

However, if the President would truly use the bully pulpit and his vast political capital to finish the educational job, we could get there very, very quickly...and the end result would be what others on this thread have said...April 15th would be just another spring day, and George W. Bush would go down in history as one of the greatest of our Presidents.