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New Gun Grab In The Works, Already Passed the House HR 4757
GOA Gun Owners Of America ^
| 1-12-2002
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Posted on 11/12/2002 5:10:09 PM PST by chuknospam
Millions More to Be Barred from Gun Ownership -- Immediate Action Needed
Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org
November 12, 2002
The House has passed H.R. 4757, the so-called "Our Lady of Peace Act." Its chief sponsor is the rabidly anti-gun Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York.
Not surprisingly, one of the other rabid anti-gunners from New York, Senator Chuck Shumer (D), has sponsored the companion bill in the Senate (S. 2826).
The bill would require states to turn over vast numbers of sometimes-personal records (on potentially all Americans) to the FBI for use in connection with the Instantcheck. These records would include any state record relevant to the question of whether a person is prohibited from owning a gun.
This starts with a large volume of mental health records, but the FBI could also require that a state forward ALL of its employment and tax records in order to identify persons who are illegal aliens. It could require that states forward information concerning drug diversion programs and arrests that do not lead to prosecution, in order to determine whether a person was "an unlawful user of... any controlled substance...."
The bill would also help FBI officials to effectively stop millions of additional Americans from purchasing a firearm, because they were guilty in the past of committing slight misdemeanors. You might remember the Lautenberg Gun Ban which President Bill Clinton signed in 1996? Because of this ban, people who have committed very minor offenses that include pushing, shoving or, in some cases, even yelling at a family member have discovered that they can no longer own a firearm for self-defense.
But the anti-gun nuts in Congress are upset because many of the states' criminal records are incomplete. As a result, the FBI does not access all of these records when screening the background of someone who purchases a firearm from a gun dealer. The McCarthy-Schumer bill would change all that and keep millions of decent, peaceful citizens from owning a firearm because of one slight offense committed in their past.
The bill also reaches for a gun owning prohibition on nearly 3 million more Americans who have spent time in mental health facilities. This group has no more involvement in violent crime than does the rest of the population. But even assuming that those with (often minor and treatable) mental health histories are "bad" guys, this bill is NOT about keeping bad guys from getting guns. Bad guys will ALWAYS be able to get guns, no matter how many restrictions there are.
This bill is all about control. Schumer and McCarthy want to keep pushing their agenda forward, making it impossible for more and more Americans to legally own guns! But if it is OK to ban gun ownership for certain people who have engaged in a shouting match with another family member, or who have stayed overnight in a hospital for emotional observation or who have been written a prescription for depression, then who will be next on the McCarthy-Schumer hit list? People who drink an occasional beer? People who take "mind altering" cold medicines -- Nyquil, TheraFlu, etc.?
H.R. 4757 and S. 2826 are major, anti-self defense bills that will only make the country safer for criminals while opening the door to invading the privacy of all Americans.
A near-total gun ban on the island of Great Britain has resulted in England suffering from the highest violent crime rate of any industrialized country. Why would a less oppressive form of gun control work when an outright ban has failed to keep guns out of the wrong hands?
ACTION:
Please contact your Senators and demand that this bill be stopped. A pre-written message is provided below. To identify your Senators, as well as to send the message via e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website.
----- Pre-written message -----
Dear Senator:
I am shocked that the Senate has before it a bill (S. 2826) that would prohibit millions of Americans from owning a gun for self-defense. Those who would be banned present no greater risk of committing violent crimes than does the rest of the population. Are all the rest of us next?
Please vote against this monstrosity (also known as the Our Lady of Peace bill) if it comes to the floor of the Senate for a vote. Gun Owners of America will be using this vote for their rating of Congress.
I would like to hear from you about whether you support this massive increase in gun control.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol
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To: chuknospam
E-mails sent.
To: Eastbound
Inclusion:
"There were other questions she asked relating to stress," shoud have been 'stress and depression.'
To: chuknospam
Sent. Thanks! Bump
To: *bang_list
Bang
To: chuknospam
Any returning combat vet..regardless of how much combat he or she has seen...
probably wont want to see an MD during service or after.. (Wasnt this the problem at Ft. Bragg not wanting to be stigmatized)...
To see the Doc they felt is the kiss of death..career wise...
So if a combat vet sees the doc ..after he or she gets out -these congress asses wont let he or she protect themselves or their familes from criminals or terrorists here at home?..(who have no problem breaking laws to get guns to use in crimes)
Talk about returning combat vets getting spit on ...only this time itll be Uncle Sam's ham handed henchmen our legislators.. (whose families are all protected)
A citizen is much better off not going to combat..if that combat leads to a Medical report that will eventually disarm you...and put your family at risk....
I want to thank all the Republicans I was stupid enough to vote for..
JR wont let me say what I think of the dems... just as well....
To: chuknospam
To: cake_crumb
A good time to count every RINO!!
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posted on
11/12/2002 7:23:42 PM PST
by
shootist
To: chuknospam
bump
48
posted on
11/12/2002 7:32:33 PM PST
by
shootist
To: spunkets
I see the usual suspects are backing this:
Mr. SCHUMER (for himself, Mr. CRAIG, Mr. KENNEDY, and Mr. MCCAIN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
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posted on
11/12/2002 7:53:31 PM PST
by
m1911
To: stylin19a
The bill ... has won the support of groups on all sides of the gun issue: Americans for Gun Safety; National Rifle Association...
Yet another justification for my decision to discontinue my NRA membership years ago.
The NRA has ceased to represent responsible gun owners and now only represents certain special interests who have gained control over the NRA through the use of large donations.
Gun Owners of America truly is "the only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington."
To: chuknospam
If you post to a certain popular conservative news forum, that qualifies you as a nut case, who is not responsible enough to own a gun.
To: chuknospam
Bump
To: logic101.net
Here's your party doing what they do best.
To: Kerberos
Thought you might find this of interest.
To: mvpel
"It is in every law-abiding gun owner's interest to prevent nutjobs from walking in and buying a gun. "Nice thought, but unfortunatly in this day and age if you want to own a gun, that is enough to clasify you as a nutjob.
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posted on
11/13/2002 6:10:31 AM PST
by
Kerberos
To: Alan Chapman
Thanks for the bump.
This is the thing I hate about government list that are suppose to be in the interest of protecting the people.
It starts off with well we'll just keep list of convicted felons to make sure that they don't have guns, which everyone will support. Then it gets expanded to well we'll include people who have been involved in domestic disputes. And hey that worked so well we'll include people who have misdemeanors.
What you find in the end is that they never stop. They are not about protecting people but about establishing government control.
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posted on
11/13/2002 6:19:58 AM PST
by
Kerberos
To: mvpel
It's been more than 12 hours. Aren't you going to respond to all these people that challenged your bonehead statement?
Comment #58 Removed by Moderator
To: Alan Chapman
Ahhhhh, you prove the point I was considering making before I even turn on the computer.
You sir are dilusional. You live in a fantisy world where the real world never intrudes. Did you read the post you sent me? The legislation you are worried about is sponsored by DEMOCRATS! It is being pushed for by DEMOCRATS! It is a scheme that is an add-on to Clinton requested legislation, oh, btw, Clinton is also a DEMOCRAT! So is Bingo Jim in WI, who will be our next Governor thanks to Ed Thompson of your party.
You seem concerned about gun rights, so I have to ask, are you a member of the NRA? I'm a life member (I recently finished with the payments). I get all sorts of legislative info from their publication "The American Hunter". Their ratings of politicians have been in the mag alot lately, they have been very concerned about what they term the "F-Troop", rabid anti-guners getting control. There is a grand total of ZERO members of the F Troop that are Republican; all are DEMOCRATS! I can't recall ever seeing a Republican getting worse than a C- by the NRA. I'm also a member of JPPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and really like their plank; however, they don't have much power. Nor will they ever since they made the mistake of incorporating "Jews" in their name. When I joined I had to ask if they only accepted Jews (nope, they were happy to have me). Another problem JPPFO has is that, although correct, they tend to look "radical" because they want to go all the way right away. They, like the LP have not yet learned the turtle and the hair story. Although, I do view them as an important educational venue. Plus their goal is not to win the hearts and minds of all voters, but to get Jews, who normally vote Democrat and support "gun control" to realize that "gun control" is what allowed Hitler to commit genocide. That in and of itself is a very worthy goal!
In addition, which party is it that is trying to allow CC for law abiding citizens? It sure isn't the Democrats! They fight it tooth and nail (although it's ok for Chucky Schumer (sp?) to shoot a trespasser outdoors; they don't want my wife to be able to grab the 45 if there is a break-in when I'm at work).
However, you continue to assert that there is no diference between Republicans and Democrats. Perhaps it is the LP term "Republicrats" that confuses you. Don't blame the Republicans for your confusion, blame YOUR party! You guys can't seem to keep them straight. Perhaps also you are confused by the DEMOCRATS; since they know their true agenda would be instantly rejected, they pretend to be Republicans when they campaign on issues. Perhaps also you are confused further by the press not reporting on the extreme agenda of the DEMOCRATS; since the press are DEMOCRATS, they try to hide that agenda.
You also assume that I am a Republican, since I am not a rabid LP'er. I am not, my views lie much closer to the LP than to the Republicans, however unlike you I allow reality in my world and know that without power to make changes you can't make changes!
I am a Constitutionalist; I believe that the Founders ment EXACTLY what they wrote in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. One would hope that they did, since they were risking their lives by signing the documents! They allowed 2 ways to make changes to the Constitution; and judges seeing things that aren't there and ignoring parts they don't like are not those 2 ways! Yet, it is the DEMOCRATS who insist on this type of judge for fedral appointments. It is the DEMOCRATS who reject judges who believe that judges are to interpret the laws, rather than make them. It is REPUBLICANS who submit judges like Clarance Thomas that view the Constitution as an important document. It is DEMOCRATS that oppose them (and form protests to prevent Justice Thomas from speaking anywhere - to a DEMOCRAT there is nothing worse than an insolent black; ie. one that doesn't support them - kind of like a run away slave to their minds).
Also, it was a DEMOCRAT dominated court that saw the line I have searched my copy of the Constitution for. Try as I might, I just can't find that line about "SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE". It should be easy to find since, according to Democrats, Athiests and Lawers, it is the entire foundation of the Constitution. It was a DEMOCRAT court that discovered a woman had a god-given right to kill her unborn baby any time she chose. Again, I just can't find that in my copy of the Constitution (or the bible for that matter).
Yet, you see no difference between the 2 parties. Perhaps it is time to lay off your drug of choice?
Alan, you worry me. You are begining to remind me of a late co-worker. Nice guy (odd, but nice, or so I thought), but I'm begining to think he was an LP'er since you are sounding so much like him. As it turned out he had to resign due to failing a 2nd drug test (either that or get fired; I'm a truck driver and the DOT doesn't allow THC). Well, shortly after that his kid got busted for selling pot to an undercover cop, and told where he got it; "I got it from mommy & daddy" (ok, yes it was an adult kid). Anyway, he was growing the stuff. Big bust. He and his wife, out on bail hung themselves in a motel room. Their kids turned the funeral into a "Wellstone" type event for legalizing pot (perhaps this is what gave the DNC the idea?).
Now, I'm not saying you are a stoner, you might be, you might not be. Unlike you, I'm not going to assume things. However, I'm really concerned in that you are really starting to sound like this guy, his grip on reality was also kind of shaky. I think you really need to re-evaluate things in your life, and soon.
BEST WISHES,
MARK A SITY
To: Alan Chapman
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