Where Do We Go From Here? (wringing hands gag alert)

Newsweek ^ | 11/18/2002 | Anna Quindlen

[Fledermaus]

...The Republican Party's historical hostility to the rights of women and the welfare of immigrants, its favoritism toward big business and big contributors, Richard Nixon's unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory and Ronald Reagan's cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised: all conspire to leave liberals nowhere to go.

Historical hostility? Oh, like when Bill Clinton says, "you might want to put a little ice on that"?

Welfare of immigrants? First, since they are immigrants they are fleeing something worse or are trying to get out of high tax countries. Second, it's the welfare 'for' Illegal immigrants we have a problem with.

Big business and big contributors? You mean like the fat cat club of trial lawyers? The million dollar check writers like Speilberg, Streisand, Riener, Hanks, et al? The contributors from big business that they give government money too and get insider tips from like Worldcom, Enron, & Global Crossings?

Oh, I get it now, thanks Ms. Quindlen....moron!

[Fledermaus]

ewwww, I don't want to know what Clinton did to that chicken first!

[Fledermaus]

I guess all of those "disenfranchised" didn't know what they were doing when they helped Reagan achieve a landslide victory.

Of course not Paul...didn't you see Mrs. John Kerry Heinz, Sen-MA on THIS BORING with STEPPY BOY saying the voters "voted against their own interest"?

Us poor voting boobs!

[Slyfox]

ewwww, I don't want to know what Clinton did to that chicken first!

He's just checking out the chicks.

[Paul_B]

She's right about Pataki. I have elderly Jewish friends, very liberal, from the Upper West Side, and their feeling is that Pataki has been a conciliator. The clear impression I got was that they were going to vote for him, and perhaps that would be the first Republican vote of their lives.

Of course, that's not really saying too much, since Pataki ran to the left of McCall.

[Arioch7]

That it is it in a nutshell. I have seen it first hand and it is not pretty.

They honestly think they have the upperhand and that the Prez will screw up.

They smirk and say "Lets wait and see," all the while stewing in thier irrelevance.

[hellinahandcart]

How very interesting. Republicans were responsible for passing the 19th? Think I'll bookmark this thread simply to have your post on hand for...for when I'll need it. ;D

Shouldn't the "for adoption" part read "56" though(36 R + 20 D)?

[hellinahandcart]

Sing it loud, people--

REPUBLICANS GAVE WOMEN THE VOTE!

and

ANNA QUINDLEN IS A MORON!

[William McKinley]

Amazing.

The Republican Party's historical hostility to the rights of women and the welfare of immigrants, its favoritism toward big business and big contributors, Richard Nixon's unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory and Ronald Reagan's cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised:

It never dawns on Anna that Bill Clinton demonstrated hostility to the rights of women (hello Paula, Monica, Juanita, etc.) and immigrants (Elian, did you enjoy the gun in your mug?), had favoritism toward big business (particularly cronies like Global Crossing and Tyson foods) and big contributors (see Terry McAuliffe's fundraising list), an unwavering willingness to trade integrity for victory (too many examples to name just one) and a cheerful indifference to the disenfranchised.

But that was different, because he was a pro-abort Democrat.

[m1911]

That is odd. I cut and pasted it, it's a typo on the page I got it from. Or else even the NYT archives are biased :).

Unfortunately my research led me to what Ms. Q was probably thinking about when she wrote that. In 1980 the Republicans dropped support for the ERA, pretty much dooming it. I haven't gotten far enough to clear up just why they did that, although I suspect that the SCOTUS decision that the Civil Rights Act could be twisted to mean quotas had something to do with it.

[hellinahandcart]

Doesn't matter. The fact remains that more Democrats were against extending the franchise to women than were FOR. Republicans? Exactly the opposite.

Same with Civil Rights legislation in the sixties. That's why I found your info so interesting.

As for the ERA, that one got stopped in its tracks because it was such a turkey. Badly written and wide open to creative abuses. I doubt it would pass TODAY even with half the country gone daffy and muddleheaded.

[m1911]

Yeah, I want to put one together on that too, so I can have it handy for... when I need it :)

[m1911]

From about halfway down this page on the CRA of '64:
Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34 (80%); Democrats supported it 152-96 (61%).

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From further down on the same page:
The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.
The Republican pro-civil rights forces were blessed with gifted leadership. Although Senate minority whip Thomas Kuchel initially managed the party's forces, it increasingly became clear to Democrats, Republicans, the press, civil rights groups, and the White House that Everett McKinley Dirksen was the key man in the entire civil rights legislative effort.

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The bill was filibustered in the Senate by 17 Democrats and one Republican. The final vote for cloture was 71-29, Republicans 27-6 (82%), Democrats 44-23 (66%). The actual vote - again from the same source:
...Two days later, the Senate passed the bill by a 73 to 27 roll call vote. Six Republicans and 21 Democrats held firm and voted against passage.
That would be of 33 and 67 respectively, meaning 18% R and 31% D against the Civil Rights Act. Now I know.

[m1911]

Bump

[Utah Girl]

Thank you for all the links and research. I've bookmarked this article so the info will be at my fingertips. Another fact I like throwing at the feminists is that most terroritories out West let the women vote. When the states were admitted to the Union, that right went away. I think women had the right to vote in Utah since the Mormon pioneer settled and lost that right when Utah became a state in 1896.

Another fact to leave them tongue tied is that Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B Anthony were very vocal in their opposition to abortion. PBS did a special on them and the history of the Women's Rights Movment in the US a few years ago, without mentioning one word about their adament opposition to abortion. Here is what they had to say.

Susan B. Anthony on abortion: "The woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed. It will burden her conscience in life. It will burden her soul in death."

Elizabeth Cady Stanton: "When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit. There must be a remedy even for such crying evil as this (abortion). But where shall it be found? At least, where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women."

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Another fact that I wasn't aware of was how many feminists were against abortion in their early careers. Many regarded abortion as caving into pressure from men to rid themselves of offspring. Ah, the dark secrets of the Left.

[m1911]

Very strange, about losing the vote when joining the Union.

[Auntie Mame]

In 1980 the Republicans dropped support for the ERA, pretty much dooming it. I haven't gotten far enough to clear up just why they did that,

I've been told we have the great Phyllis Schlafly to thank for practically single-handedly seeing to the demise of the ERA.

[NYCVirago]

She does make one good point:

No spin possible. Don’t even try. Those pundits who suggest that this enormous victory could be bad for the Republicans because now they’ll have no one else to blame—oh, please!

[Utah Girl]

Yes, Anna did make that one good point.

[CapandBall]

nice, thanks!