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Turkish EU Entry Would Be End of Europe-Giscard
reuters.com ^ | November 08, 2002 07:34 AM ET | Reuters

Posted on 11/08/2002 4:16:46 PM PST by Destro

Turkish EU Entry Would Be End of Europe-Giscard

November 08, 2002 07:34 AM ET

PARIS (Reuters) - The head of Europe's constitutional Convention was quoted on Friday as saying Turkey was not a European country and its entry into the EU would be "the end of the European Union."

Former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing, president of the Convention on the Future of Europe, told the newspaper Le Monde that those who backed Ankara's candidacy were "the adversaries of the European Union."

The European Commission swiftly dissociated itself from the comments, which heightened controversy within the 15-nation bloc over the EU's eventual borders once it concludes accession talks with 10 mainly east European candidates next month.

Alluding obliquely to its Muslim population and high birth rate, Giscard said Turkey had "a different culture, a different approach, a different way of life" and its demographic dynamism would make it the biggest EU member state.

"Its capital is not in Europe, 95 percent of its population live outside Europe, it is not a European country," he said.

Admitting Turkey would go "outside the continent" and prompt demands to admit other Middle Eastern and North African states, starting with Morocco.

Asked what the effect would be, he said: "In my opinion, it would be the end of the European Union."

A European Commission spokesman said the comments were Giscard's private opinion and the EU executive saw no reason to call into question Turkey's candidacy.

COMMISSION SAYS STRATEGY UNCHANGED

Officially recognized as a candidate for membership in 1999, Turkey is pressing for a date to begin accession talks when EU leaders hold a summit in Copenhagen next month to wrap up the next phase of enlargement.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, leader of Turkey's newly elected Justice and Development Party (AKP), is to visit historic rival and fellow NATO member Greece on November 18 to discuss EU matters.

Brussels has so far refused to open negotiations with Ankara because its human rights record does not meet EU criteria.

Commission spokesman Jean-Christophe Filori said EU leaders had set a strategy for Turkey's candidacy in 1999 and "as long as this same strategy isn't called into question by the heads of state and government, it remains in force."

He said the strategy had been successful in prompting democratic and human rights reforms, citing laws passed in August abolishing the death penalty in peacetime and authorizing private broadcasting and education in the Kurdish language.

Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen said this week that if the AKP wanted to show it was serious about speeding up Turkey's EU bid, it should start by stamping out torture, freeing all political prisoners and bringing torturers to justice.

Giscard's comments reflected in blunt language what many EU politicians whisper privately, but they come at a particularly delicate time when Brussels needs Turkey's cooperation to try to solve several problems related to enlargement.

It is seeking Ankara's support for a U.N.-brokered effort to resolve the division of Cyprus before the country joins the bloc in 2004, and it needs Turkish assent to arrangements giving Europe's embryonic rapid reaction force access to NATO military planning and assets for EU crisis management operations.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; eu; turkey
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1 posted on 11/08/2002 4:16:46 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
I didn't realize that this old coot was still alive.
2 posted on 11/08/2002 4:17:39 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I think that Turkey would be better off without EU membership.
3 posted on 11/08/2002 4:20:13 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: *balkans
bump
4 posted on 11/08/2002 4:20:20 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
The end of the EU began when someone considered France to be a country and allowed the "country" of France into the EU. Both concepts are horrible mistakes.

5 posted on 11/08/2002 4:21:12 PM PST by lawdude
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To: jimtorr
Nobody EVER figures that out until too late. Some of my Eastern European friends are starting to get a clue (with a great deal of force applied by yours truly), but basically when people see clubs that won't let them in, it makes them want to get in.
6 posted on 11/08/2002 4:21:34 PM PST by American Soldier
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To: Destro
More likely it would be the end of Turkey. Why the Turks want to join up is beyond me. A cash infusion is not worth selling your sovereignty for and forever taking orders from Franco-Germanic bureaucrats.
7 posted on 11/08/2002 4:21:39 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: jimtorr
We are neither citizens of Europe or Turkey so our opinion on what is best for who does not matter much.
8 posted on 11/08/2002 4:22:09 PM PST by Destro
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To: jimtorr
I think that Turkey would be better off without EU membership.

I agree and have stated that here before. However, this article provides the first reason I've seen that cuts the other way. If admitting Turkey kills the EU, that would be a nice development.

9 posted on 11/08/2002 4:22:19 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I don't know the birth rate in Turkey, but the birth rate in Iraq is 4.87 children per childbearing age woman. This is extraordinary compared to Wesrtern standards and the who Arab world has a population explosion with huge populations of men of military age with nothing to do.
10 posted on 11/08/2002 4:28:16 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
The birthrate in Turkey was 2.38 in 1998.
11 posted on 11/08/2002 4:33:16 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
An old coot he may be; but he is 100% correct about this.
12 posted on 11/08/2002 4:37:29 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Destro
"Alluding obliquely to its Muslim population and high birth rate, Giscard said Turkey had 'a different culture, a different approach, a different way of life'"

But what will Valery do in a few years when Norway, Denmark, and the Netherlands have become Muslim nations with high birth rates?

And what about France? It will be majority Muslim before long.

13 posted on 11/08/2002 4:43:17 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Phillip Augustus
I disagree. Turkey is positioned on the crossroads of the continents. It has a huge European influence which is probably the only reason why it's not one of those crappy Islamic states.

It's a member of NATO, probably the most valuable one other than England.

It is a western country.

I think Turkey should refuse to join that stupid union. But that's just me.

14 posted on 11/08/2002 4:45:30 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Destro
The Turks are just about our oldest allies in this world.
15 posted on 11/08/2002 4:47:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
That is a historically ignorant comment. The USA has fought two wars against Turkey, one against the Barbary pirates in Tripoli (an Ottoman Turkish protectorate) and in World War One. The French, (like it or not) hold the title of America's oldest allies. We fought the British twice, too. The Brits burned Washington, D.C. to the ground.

P.S.: The Marine song celebrates the voctory over the Turk, ...to the shores of Tripoli

16 posted on 11/08/2002 4:53:31 PM PST by Destro
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To: Dog Gone; jimtorr; lawdude; American Soldier; Arkinsaw; shrinkermd; Phillip Augustus; ...
Ali Tekin, another Turkish representative at the convention, called Giscard "a Christian fundamentalist."
17 posted on 11/08/2002 4:58:55 PM PST by Destro
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To: Destro
Yeah, that one baffled me, too.
18 posted on 11/08/2002 5:04:48 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Destro
Well, the choice of words was terrible, but the main reason to oppose Turkey's inclusion is religious, isn't it?
19 posted on 11/08/2002 5:05:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Turkey is indeed an ally, but it is not Western; it is neither European, nor Christian. It is Asian and Islamic.
20 posted on 11/08/2002 5:05:53 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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