Posted on 11/08/2002 1:13:57 PM PST by B-Chan
THE CHRISTIAN TESTIMONY OF CONDOLEEZZA RICE
"I started to think of myself as that elder son who had never doubted the existence of the Heavenly Father but wasn't really walking in faith in an active way any more."
Miss Condoleezza Rice (47) is the American National Security Advisor. She has reached the highest political office for an African-American woman to have attained. Her father was a Presbyterian minister and she was trained as a girl to be a concert pianist and a competitive ice skater. During an August 4 Sunday school class at the National Presbyterian Church, Washington, she explained something of her own faith in God. Here are some excerpts:
I was a preacher's kid, so Sundays were church, no doubt about that. The church was the center of our lives. In segregated black Birmingham of the late l950s and early 1960s, the church was not just a place of worship. It was the place where families gathered; it was the social center of the community, too.The Layman, October 2002Although I never doubted the existence of God, I think like all people I've had some ups and downs in my faith. When I first moved to California in 1981 to join the faculty at Stanford, there were a lot of years when I was not attending church regularly. I was traveling a lot. I was a specialist in international politics, so I was always traveling abroad. I was always in another time zone.
One Sunday I was in the Lucky's Supermarket not very far from my house I will never forget - among the spices an African-American man walked up to me and said he was buying some things for his church picnic.
And he said, "Do you play the piano by any chance?"
I said, "Yes." They said they were looking for someone to play the piano at church. It was a little African-American church right in the center of Palo Alto. A Baptist church. So I started playing for that church. That got me regularly back into churchgoing. I don't play gospel very well - I play Brahms - and you know how black ministers will start a song and the musicians will pick it up? I had no idea what I was doing and so I called my mother, who had played for Baptist churches.
"Mother," I said, "they just start. How am I supposed to do this?" She said, "Honey, play in C and they'll come back to you." And that's true. If you play in C, people will come back. I tell that story because I thought to myself "My goodness, God has a long reach." I mean, in the Lucky's Supermarket on a Sunday morning.
I played for about six months for them and then I decided to go and find the Presbyterian Church again. I'm a devoted Presbyterian. I really like the governance structure of the church. I care about the Presbyterian Church. On a Sunday morning, I went to Menlo Park Presbyterian Church [in Palo Alto]. The minister that Sunday morning gave a sermon I will never quite forget. It was about the Prodigal Son from the point of view of the elder son.
It set the elder son up not as somebody who had done all the right things but as somebody who had become so self-satisfied'; a parable about self-satisfaction, and contentment and complacency in faith, [and] that people who didn't somehow expect themselves to need to be born again can be so complacent.
I started to think of myself as that elder son who had never doubted the existence of the Heavenly Father but wasn't really walking in faith in an active way any more.
I started to become more active with the church to go to Bible study and to have a more active prayer life. It was a very important turning point in my life.
My father was an enormous influence in my spiritual life. He was a theologian, a doctor of divinity. He was someone who let you argue about things. He didn't say, "Just accept it." And when I had questions, which we all do, he encouraged that.
He went to great lengths to explain about the man we've come to know as Doubting Thomas; he thought that was an incident in the life of Christ about the fact it was OK to question. And that Christ knew that Thomas needed to feel his wounds; feel the wounds in His side and feel the wounds in His hands. That it was what Thomas needed - he needed that physical contact. And then, of course, Christ said when you can accept this on faith, it will be even better.
I [liked] the fact that my father didn't brush aside my questions about faith. He allowed me as someone who lives in my mind to also live in my faith.
In this job, when we faced a horrible crisis like September 11, you go back in your mind and think, "Is there anything I could have done? Might I have seen this coming? Was there some way?"
When you go through something like that, you have to turn to faith because you can rationalize it, you can make an intellectual answer about it but you can't fully accept it until you can feel it here (taps chest). That time wasn't a failure, but it was a period of crisis when faith was really important for me.
I try always not to think that I am Elijah, that I have somehow been particularly called like a prophet. That's a dangerous thing. In a sense, we've all been called to whatever it is we are doing. But if you try to wear the imprimatur of God - I've seen that happen to leaders who begin too much to believe in that - then there are a couple of very good antidotes to that. I try to say when I pray, "Help me to walk in Your way, not my own." To try to walk in a way that is actually fulfilling a plan, and recognize you are a cog in a larger universe.
I think people who believe in the Creator can never take themselves too seriously. I feel that faith allows me to have a kind of optimism about the future. You look around you and you see an awful lot of pain, suffering and things that are going wrong. It could be oppressive. But when I look at my own story or many others that I have seen, I think, "How could it possibly be that it has turned out this way?" Then my only answer is it's God's plan. And that makes me very optimistic that this is all working out in a proper way. So we must all stay close to God and pray and follow in His footsteps.
I really do believe that God will never let his children fall too far. There is an old gospel hymn, "He knows how much you can bear." I really do believe that. I greatly appreciate, and so does the president, the prayers of the American people. You feel them. You know that they are there. If you just keep praying for us, it is so important to all of us.
In many ways, it's a wonderful White House to be in because there are a lot of people who are of faith, starting with the president. When you are in a community of the faithful, it makes a very big difference not only in how people treat each other but in how they treat the task at hand.
Among American leadership, there are an awful lot of people who travel in faith. It's a remarkable thing and I think it probably sets us apart from most developed countries where it is not something that is appreciated quite as much in most of the world.
I've watched over the last year and a half how people want to have human dignity worldwide. You hear of Asian values or Middle Eastern values and how that means people can't really take to democracy or they'll never have democracy because they have no history of it, and so forth. We forget that when people are given a choice between freedom and tyranny, they will choose freedom. I remember all the stories before the liberation of Afghanistan that that nation wouldn't "get it," that they were all warlords and it would just be chaos. Then we got pictures of people dancing on the streets of Kabul just because they now could listen to music or send their girls to school.
growing up Catholic, and attending Catholic school for 16 yrs....I can tell you that the old-fashioned nuns who taught me were not only brilliant, light hearted and joyous, but also pretty in their own way....they chose to be nuns....
I agree with whoever said that they love Condi Rice like a dtr....I do too, except I am not that old yet....lol.....
Condi Rice is a jewel.....whether she is an absolutist on every ideal that a lot of us share is not really that important...what is important is that we know she is at least seeking knowledge in the right place....
1) I wasn't attacking, I was wondering about a red flag in the bio's of these women, who've admitedly helped our conservative cause.
2) I mentioned nuns because they have been a praiseworthy example of women leading the single life. The nuns, however, received strength from a lot of daily prayer and the community of their fellow sisters.
I guess I just over-reacted...sorry....
frankly, I do wonder why some women have not married....I see it at my place of employment as well....very nice, attractive women never marrying....
but for women, I think it is very discouraging if you are not married say by 30 or so....there just is not a lot of ways to meet eligible men as you get older and some people get very set in their ways...men included....
bttt
Condi's on a path, clearly (just like the rest of us). She got her Master's at Notre Dame, so there's been at least some exposure to catholic thought. Though far from a torrent, it's my sense that the best of evangelicalism is returning home (to Christ's Catholic Church), and the current administration has a number of notables that evince catholic thought and praxis. From where I sit (10,000 miles away), I get a sense that the Holy Spirit is slowly but inexorably bringing catholics and future-catholics into positions of influence, almost as if preparing for a Coming Showdown (though I'm of the Realized Eschaton school). GWB's brother's conversion seems sincere. Blair seems to he heading that way, albeit via his wife's wish-washy new-agey schlock. After all, it took that 4th C African-Roman quite a while to shed his manichaenism...
Despite misgivings, I'm a Condi fan. I hope she grows into a real and effective counter to Hillary in 2008.
Regarding Dr. Rice being pro-choice. I am a Christian, a married mother of two, and strongly pro-choice. It makes me sad to see other Christians think that you cannot be a true Christian and pro-choice. We have different views and beliefs. Many Christians believe that in the first three months, while there is not a developed brain, abortion is acceptable. Also, some girls start menstruating very young - nine years old. It would be cruel to force a nine year old rape victim to go through a pregancy. I don't see any contradiction if Dr. Rice is Christian and pro-choice.
You better tell the folks in town here at St. James , St. John's, St. Mark's, St. Luke's, St Mathews, St. Paul and St. Stephen Baptist Churches. I'm not going to . . .
Some of those are Missionary, some are Full Gospel, and some are just ordinary Southern Baptists. Admittedly most Baptist churches here in town have names like First Baptist, Wheat Street Baptist, Shiloh, etc. But there are enough saints to where at least SOME Baptists must believe in them. . .
Think it's because even with the SBC, most Baptists still believe in congregational autonomy.
Now, you talk about confused . . . my ggg grandfather was a Baptist deacon and founder of our family church out in Alabama. Another ggg grandfather was an Englishman and an Anglican. I was raised Episcopalian, but now I'm a Catholic.
Or maybe it's just none of my business
http://www.christianitytoday.com has some interesting articles on the church origins. Worth a read
Please open your eyes.. ask for knowledge about the world and about the Bush presidency...Jesus will give you the truth ..you only have to seek it. Remember that many who say "Lord,we prophesied in your name" will be told "Depart I do not know you" The Bible also says about Christians... "You will know them by their fruit"
Pray on that and think about it
I must admit that your post struck a chord with me.
Not that I am a radical feminist or anything, but why does she need to be married? Can a strong woman not stand on her own without needing a man in front of her? I think theres a very good reason that Miss Rice isnt married...and I really dont think she ever will be.. at least not until its legalized.
Groan. A pro-abortion, anti-Israel Evangelical? Now there's a new one for me. Condi is such a phony.
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