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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
A jury would make a decision based upon evidence in the case of a crime committed.

But, Sir Francis, juries do not make decisions based on popular opinion; rather, their decisions are based on the law. Thus, under your proposed system, the government (state or federal) would have to establish and enforce laws permitting pregnant women to obtain abortions based only on certain circumstances. (I'm sure you wouldn't want a jury making arbitrary moral decisions without consideration of law).

the public funding thereof violates Roe v. Wade.

I agree. We should stop public funding.

Rape, incest, or molestation are not sexual behaviors. They are felonies. The age of consent in most states is 18. You did not consider the entirety of what I said. Straw man arguments.

I never suggested that rape or incest were "sexual behaviors". Yes, rape and incest are felonies but are not crimes committed by the "unborn". So, if you believe that human life should be protected from the point of mitosis, why punish a baby who is the innocent victim of a crime? The baby conceived through the crime of rape or incest will develop at the same pace as the baby conceived through willing sexual intercourse. So, why the special exceptions granted to women who are victims of rape or incest? The only reason I can see is to punish the other women, the ones who conceive through willing sexual relations. That, essentially, is what the government would be doing under your proposal.

No, I am talking about both women and men, logic and the law. The ethereal emotional ideals, esotric hobgoblins, and man made morals...

You claim to base your position on "law and logic" only, but they are based on morals: (1) You are making a moral decision when you propose that all human life should be protected from the point of mitosis; (2) you're making a moral decision when you permit some women to end those "lives" if they are either minors or victims of rape or incest. There are many "emotional ideals" in your proposal. Face up to it, my friend. ;)

407 posted on 11/14/2002 6:02:35 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
You are making a moral decision...

"And from these images it is that one of the faculties of man's nature is called the imagination." (Hobbes)

You keep imagining things. I'm sick of the circular arguments, red herrings, begging the question, and other informal fallacies as excuse to permit this national insanity to continue. The political party in power is one I helped to elect. I will use it as a platform for my ideas.

Your idea is to do nothing and allow the same socialist crap to interweave into the social institutions and culture of the United States. I say no to that and my reasons are quite clear no matter how you try to muddy them. Yes, I am going to force my view upon others, this is politics and my political party has the balance of power on it's side.

Ultimately, I want a legal accounting for other people's behavior that affects my rights as a citizen of the USA. This societal practice of ritual infanticide violates other people's rights with higher taxes, gratuitous corruption of the young, and disrespect for human life.

As I have said, other "men" need to be more responsible for their own penis, I have enough responsibility for my own. Both men and women have no excuse in this modern age not to avail themselves to our technology that prevents this myopic self-centered stupidity.

426 posted on 11/15/2002 8:56:31 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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