Posted on 11/08/2002 10:59:18 AM PST by winner45
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Thursday, June 6, 2002
Where have all the conservatives gone? Posted: June 6, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Harry Browne
There used to be two highly vocal political movements in America the conservatives and the liberals.
Although there were subtle variations, the basic difference between them was this:
Today, however, it's almost impossible to tell the two groups apart.
Liberals
The modus operandi of liberals has always been:
In this way they've turned education into a federal responsibility leading to unsafe schools and far too many illiterate students.
They've ruined what was once the best health-care system in history making it terribly expensive, cruelly insensitive, and totally out of the reach of many people.
They've created a permanent underclass of welfare clients, made America's farmers dependent on the federal government, and polluted the environment by putting too much land in the care of irresponsible bureaucrats.
No matter how much and how often and how harmfully government fails at what it does, no matter how many problems it causes, liberals still ask government to bring about whatever they want.
Conservatives
Conservatives used to oppose these government programs fighting them with economic arguments, pointing to unintended consequences, and citing the unconstitutionality of the proposals.
But no longer.
Conservatives have used the federal government to wage a horrendous Drug War. The result has been drug-dealing gangs in the streets, children killed in drive-by shootings, crack babies, increased drug use, and a trashing of the Bill of Rights.
And how do they propose to deal with this enormous failure?
Throw more money at it, make the prison terms more oppressive, take away more of our civil liberties, trash the Constitution even further. In other words, do more of the things that created the problems.
If someone objects, accuse him of ignoring the crack babies and the families hurt by drugs.
If government schools are a mess, cite uneducated children as a reason for a government program to subsidize private schools which will surely turn those schools into clones of the government schools (as happened with private colleges).
If federal welfare is a tragedy, propose putting religious charities on the federal dole so that they, too, can become beggars at the government trough, doing the bureaucrats' bidding in order to keep the subsidies coming.
If it's revealed that our military, the FBI, or the CIA hasn't perform its mission properly, throw more money at it, expand whatever program has failed, give more power to the bureaucrats. And if anyone objects, if anyone cites the Constitution, just accuse him of ignoring the victims of 9-11.
No matter how much, and how often, and how harmfully government fails at what it does no matter how many problems it causes conservatives still ask government to bring about whatever they want.
No difference
In other words, conservatives now sound exactly like liberals.
What did you get for your vote?
Conservative writers and commentators oppose big-government programs only if they're proposed by Bill Clinton or some other Democratic president. Then they're constitutionalists sounding the alarm against big government.
At least with Clinton, there was an opposition party. But with a Republican in the White House, there's no opposition. Thus government grew more rapidly under Nixon, Reagan, Ford or Bush than it did under Clinton.
In 2000, many people said they were voting for George Bush because he was the lesser of two evils.
But it turns out that Bush is doing all the things Gore would have done only now, there's no opposition.
So it appears that those people who chose Bush actually voted for the greater of two evils big government and no opposition.
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If someone doesn't know the difference between Liberals and Conservatives, they haven't been paying attention.
There is little difference between democrats and republicans. See msg 12.
For started (and finishers), I'm conservative and oppose nearly all government involvement and programs. I believe in the government building roads, protecting its people, running the military, running the prisons, and generally keeping an orderly society. I pay them to do this. I do not want them waging a WAR ON DRUGS. If you catch someone with drugs, throw them in jail. That's all the war I need. Keep it simple. I don't want them handing out money to bums who don't work. I don't want them educating my children. I don't want them "socializing" everyone with programs. I want it all to go away. Give me my money back and I'll be doing great. I don't need Social Security, I don't need Medicare. I can actually BETTER prepare for my older age with MY MONEY. I just need the money back so I can start working.
So, idiot author, you have ill-defined what it is to be a true conservative, so every point you make is completely useless and unworthy of a carefully considered rebuttal. This is all.
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I hope you get what you want. I assure you neither I nor Browne are idiots. Since the purpose of Browne's piece was not to define conservativeism, your assertion to its use and worth is nonsequitur. However, I wish you well.
No. I'm not as paranoid as you are. This "downfall of our country" and "children in chains" stuff is pure crap, and you know it.
Bingo. Here lies the ugly truth. There are soooooooo many people and businesses that benefit from from government hand-outs of one form or another. After FDR, the rush to "buy votes" has ebbed and flowed but only while in the stratospheric range of government spending. When the Dems had control of Congress from the 60's to the 90's they created a dependency on "big government" all the while. This trend needs to be reversed. But how? If the Republicans tried to cut the government the way the so-called libertarians want, they would be chastized to say the least.
I hope this NRST can be instituted. Yet, I do have a reservation or two. This should be an interesting two years for the fereral government.
BTW, I am curious to see if Rep. Dick Armey(R) will write a book after he leaves office.
In 1994, when the GOP took the House and Senate, we were bold enough to talk about shutting down the Department of Education and defunding the National Endowment of the Arts
No I don't "know it". I know that as parents we're already working over half our lives for the collective, and you admit it will do nothing but get worse and worse. You're perfectly happy with that, a socialist's best friend.
Isn't bad enough going through life as a chubby security guard type without being a virtual pinko?
It appears even HE is not their perfect man.
I wonder if they will ever find one?
From Harry's stite
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Sinkspur, which is it? I've been lurking here at FR for years, did I have you wrong all this time? I'm not trying to bust your chops or mock you or anything, I am really surprised.
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