What's 'real' sex? Kids narrow definition, put themselves at risk

The Seattle Times/St. Louis Dispatch ^ | 11/7/02 | Cynthia Billhartz and Carol M. Ostrom

[ppaul]

The Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky scandal put the topic on the front pages of the nation's newspapers and on television. Since then, stories about teens and oral sex have surfaced...

Alas, the tragic, lasting legacy of der Sinkmeister.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Thanks, Bill. Your legacy is assured.

[NautiNurse]

When you see a teen with a pierced tongue, you know for certain.

[TopQuark]

No, friends this has nothing to do with Bill.

Altohugh it's a long post, reread the article. Not a word about parents. Not a word about religion. But plenty of "school," "curriculum," health-care "services."

Mankind, including the children, needs nothing to be sexualy active: low life does that too. Actually, even dogs regulates these matters with their puppies. We, however, no longer do that.

Kids always pushed the limits, but it was parents and sporitual, not civic, leaders that regulated where the limits were. That is where the problem lies.

What I offered you is the best test: let 100 people read the article and see how many will even catch that it inlcudes neither of the two sources --- parents and the church --- from which children learn to regulate their sexuality. It shows that no only we do not have proper answers --- we do not even know where to seek them.

[ppaul]

FYI

[Jalapeno]

Smoking is another clue. Also tattoos.

[Wright is right!]

"In doing so, they risk contracting sexually transmitted diseases such as the herpes virus and HIV, the virus that can cause AIDS."

The risk of mainstream teens becoming infected is one of the most microscopically-small risks known to man. Most of these articles are written under the thesis that AIDS somehow magically manifests itself when two people engage in sexual behavior - ignoring the fact that one of the participants has to ALREADY HAVE the virus. Among teens that are otherwise virgins and have no IV drug history, infection is a virtual impossibility.

I remember this scene in some movie/TV show/whatever where a teen couple (boy-girl) are contemplating having sex. Both are virgins. "But what if we get AIDS," one asks. The utter preposterousness of this scene will stick with me for a LONG time. Which is one of the reasons a lot of the safe-sex mantra is ineffective - it's based upon patently ludicrous concepts that even a pea-brain can see thru as specious.

And notice the one-way nature of the oral-sex phenom. The boys mentioned seem oblivious to the idea of reciprocity. No wonder they grow up as jerks.

Michael

[templar]

It all has it's roots back in th 60's, with the advocacy and development of birth control. Sex is no longer considered as being a part of creating a family and of accepting responsibility for a family. It's looked upon as recreation.

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It all has it's roots back in th 60's, with the advocacy and development of birth control

Oral sex = birth control?

[ppaul]

When you see a teen with a pierced tongue, you know for certain.

It's a dead giveaway.
Parents, when your daughter asks you if she can get that piercing, you'd better start keepin' track of where, when, and with whom she's hanging out - usually, it's too late then though.

[smoking camels]

Gimme a break! I happen to have very strong feelings and beliefs against tattoos, smoking, piercings, and pre-marital sex... but this assumption is absurd!

[joesnuffy]

Kids wanting to be live versions of 'inflatable party dolls'
The Clintonistas legacy

[PLK]

Smoking is another clue. Also tattoos

Huh? What's that about?

[PLK]

No, friends this has nothing to do with Bill.

It has everything to do with Bill! Must be a lefty paper, notice there is NO MENTION of Bill's testimony that he did not have sex with Lewinsky, then later saying he was not lying BECAUSE he didn't think oral sex fit into the category of "sex." Again, it has everything to do with Bill. He is the one who started the notion that oral sex is not sex.

[PLK]

Gimme a break! I happen to have very strong feelings and beliefs against tattoos, smoking, piercings, and pre-marital sex... but this assumption is absurd!

I can only conclude that you are unaware of the connection between oral sex and tongue piercings? Ask a friend to explain it to you, I don't want to get that graphic here on FR - Jim might ban me. If you can speak openly to your teenagers, ask them to explain it to you; they will most likely know what's it about. ;^)

[ppaul]

Must be a lefty paper...

It certainly is.

[Darksheare]

There are many people who have deluded themselves into thinking that they have to have sex with someone to get someone to like them.

Most common as a behaviour in those who were molested or raped at a young age.

And now school sex ed courses have been teaching this as "normal". And yet, hypocritically, screaming about the rise in std's among teenagers.

They get the big "Well, DUH!" award.

[FreeTally]

The risk of mainstream teens becoming infected is one of the most microscopically-small risks known to man. Most of these articles are written under the thesis that AIDS somehow magically manifests itself when two people engage in sexual behavior - ignoring the fact that one of the participants has to ALREADY HAVE the virus.

THANK YOU!!

I have had this complaint for a long time too. And its not just AIDS, its all STD's.

The rest of your post was great as well.

[no-s]

Recently a friend yanked her daughter, age 12, from public school and sent her to a religious school. Apparently one of the daughter's school friends, a cute little blue-eyed blonde, was the oral-sex princess of her middle school. Boys as young as 9 were getting on their bikes and riding over to the girls house after school (both parents working) for a special deal....

What clued the mother - the daughter's friend was visting, a small contingent of boys came knocking, and the little girl was complaining about having to take care of all the boys by herself. The little girl explained "it's not like it's actual sex, I'm too tired to take care of all of them."

When did she start? About 3 years ago! I can't imagine how the parents never noticed what was going on!