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To: Technogeeb

 Your attempt to equate the folly of the two systems is nonsensical.

It seems that you think members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create a Bill and pass it to implement a graduated income tax; and that it would only ever put a tax burden on the highest incomes of a merger 1% income tax; and that congress is so honest that it wouldn't raise that rate to 40% for the highest incomes and roughly 33% for middle incomes and roughly 25% for lower incomes; and that members congress are so honest that they won't continue raising the income tax rates beyond those amounts. Or that members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create 20,000 gun laws, most of which violate the U.S. constitution. The list of how frequently members of congress violate their oath of office is very long indeed. The HHS has a long track record of using honest calculations to determine the poverty level, certainly far more honest than how members of congress trash the U.S. constitution to the harm of all citizens. However, members of congress could start to correct their frauds by passing HR2525.

But I have digressed to catering to you. Not to worry, I'll get over it.

You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve.

936 posted on 11/11/2002 11:43:02 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
It seems that you think members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create a Bill and pass it to implement a graduated income tax; and that it would only ever put a tax burden on the highest incomes of a merger 1% income tax; and that congress is so honest that it wouldn't raise that rate to 40% for the highest incomes and roughly 33% for middle incomes and roughly 25% for lower incomes; and that members congress are so honest that they won't continue raising the income tax rates beyond those amounts

No, I think the exact opposite. Which is why I don't want that level of power given to a single individual who is subject to even less oversight than members of Congress.

Or that members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create 20,000 gun laws, most of which violate the U.S. constitution

No, I think the exact opposite, which is why I don't want the secretary of the HHS to have the same power to enact socialism that the secretary of the treasury has to enact gun control, simply by publishing a statement to that effect in the Federal Register. Under GCA'68, the secretary of the treasury has the ability to declare that certain arms don't have a sporting purpose. When Bensen was secretary under Clinton, he used this power to ban several semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns, just by publishing that ruling in the Federal Register, and without any act of Congress (who, unfortunately, later made them illegal under legislation as well as regulation, when they passed the 1994 "Crime" bill). The ability of the bureaucracy to misuse power it is granted is well established, which is why I do not wish to grant the power to convert the United States into defacto communism given to a single unelected individual; something the system you are advocating does.

You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve

Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats.
939 posted on 11/11/2002 12:05:33 PM PST by Technogeeb
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