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To: Zon
It seems that you think members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create a Bill and pass it to implement a graduated income tax; and that it would only ever put a tax burden on the highest incomes of a merger 1% income tax; and that congress is so honest that it wouldn't raise that rate to 40% for the highest incomes and roughly 33% for middle incomes and roughly 25% for lower incomes; and that members congress are so honest that they won't continue raising the income tax rates beyond those amounts

No, I think the exact opposite. Which is why I don't want that level of power given to a single individual who is subject to even less oversight than members of Congress.

Or that members of congress are so honest that they wouldn't create 20,000 gun laws, most of which violate the U.S. constitution

No, I think the exact opposite, which is why I don't want the secretary of the HHS to have the same power to enact socialism that the secretary of the treasury has to enact gun control, simply by publishing a statement to that effect in the Federal Register. Under GCA'68, the secretary of the treasury has the ability to declare that certain arms don't have a sporting purpose. When Bensen was secretary under Clinton, he used this power to ban several semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns, just by publishing that ruling in the Federal Register, and without any act of Congress (who, unfortunately, later made them illegal under legislation as well as regulation, when they passed the 1994 "Crime" bill). The ability of the bureaucracy to misuse power it is granted is well established, which is why I do not wish to grant the power to convert the United States into defacto communism given to a single unelected individual; something the system you are advocating does.

You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve

Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats.
939 posted on 11/11/2002 12:05:33 PM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb

No, I think the exact opposite. Which is why I don't want that level of power given to a single individual who is subject to even less oversight than members of Congress.

The HHS has a long track record of using honest calculations to determine the poverty level, certainly far more honest than how members of congress trash the U.S. constitution to the harm of all citizens. However, members of congress could start to correct their frauds by being honest like the HHS and passing HR2525. That you fail to acknowledge the wide disparity in the honest track record in the HHS calculating the poverty level from the track record of fraud perpetrated by congress regarding the graduated income tax is to be expected from persons that chose deceit over honesty.

Under GCA'68, the secretary of the treasury has the ability to declare that certain arms don't have a sporting purpose.

Congress wrote and passed GCA'68. Thus it was congress that created the problem that need not exist in the first place.

"The framers of GCA'68 borrowed an idea--that certain firearms are "hunting weapons"--from the Nazi Weapons Law (Section 21 and Section 32 of the Regulations, page 61 and page 73, respectively, of Gun Control.- Gateway to Tyranny). The equivalent U.S. term, "sporting purpose," was used to classify firearms. But it was not defined anywhere in GCA'68. Thus, bureaucrats were empowered to ban whole classes of firearms. They have, in fact, done so."
http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/firearms/laws/us/origin.html
 Excerpts from an article in the May 1993 Guns and Ammo by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

The ability of the bureaucracy to misuse power it is granted is well established,

Members of congress violating their oath of office to empower most of the alphabet agencies. The IRS being but one of them. Congress created the problem. You have only tin-foil-hat assertions the the HHS would suddenly become a monster in regards to determining the poverty level. You wrote: "They can simply say the poverty level is $150,000." 901

Zon: You demonstrated your intent to deceive the reader. Thus rendering yourself not to be trusted or respected because you disrespect the reader. You probably think you can mislead and try to deceive the reader and that they should just comply with you and answer your questions or take you seriously. You deserve no person's attention in a discussion. Scorn. That's what you deserve. 936

Technogeeb: Your lies and personal attacks do nothing to refute the clear flaws in the system you are advocating. Government handouts to every household in the United States (the "prebate" mechanism) is socialism. To claim that it is otherwise is a lie. And since that system allows an unelected bureaucrat to determine the value of those handouts (with no additional action by Congress once the system is enacted), the only thing preventing it from becoming pure communism is the goodwill of the bureaucrats. 939

Your comments are on record; I'm glad to let the reader juxtaposition our comments.

941 posted on 11/11/2002 12:58:40 PM PST by Zon
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