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Have any of you seen and understood the bills that have been floated to impliment the NRST to date? Do you have any conception of the rates you will be paying, over the state sales tax, and do any of you have any idea of what the implimentation of an NRST will do to the relationship between the federal government and the states?

We are just beginning to see a recovery in the power of the states against the federal government. An NRST will destroy that.

Do you realize that the rate will be closer to 28% to 30%, without the 6% to 10% state sales tax? And everything new sold without exception will carry that rate, groceries, internet connections?

Scrapping the IRS and income tax code is all well and fine, but realize that the 16th amendment will have to be repealed first, and do any out here have a idea of the time required to ratify such an amendment?

What if the congress allowed the NRST to go forward with a promise to repeal the 16th, and Oh my! we just can get enough states to reatify the repealing amendment.

How would social security be funded? It would be a portion of the NRST, but it would have to maintain the level it currently is, by law. If there were a great move to used products, then the level of NRST will fall and require a hike in the rate either directly or indirectly to get it back to level.

You have to realize that the federal government is not going to take a pay cut, so you will not be relieved of the confiscatory amount of money you send to the fed, just how it is collected. It has been said that collecting payroll taxes and other expenses related to the income and FICA will be rolled back thereby actually lowering item prices.

First, there is no way that could be demanded by law; it would have to be voluntary on the part of businesses, starting at manufacturing and trickling up to retain, where the tax is collected. Everyone is more or less comfortable with prices as they are. An additional NRST will reaise prices dramatically and thoroughly mask the failure to not remove the old income tax price padding.

The income tax law grew from about 90 pages to 90,000 pages, if I remember correctly, over its life. Rates increased from about 1% to what it is now. Every day there are people protesting the confiscatory tax by refusing to pay it, and that very same behavior was the reason that congress scaled back on the brutal tactics of the IRS in the middle '80s.

This public resistance tends to keep abuse in check. With a NRST, the only way for an ordinary citizen to check abuse will be to not buy food, clothing, heating oil, electricity and gas. Who out here thinks that the rates and ceilings won't be raised and raised, like the income tax was?

Instead of just clicking your heels, you should be inventigating the host of details. That's where this particular devil lies. YOu think the income tax is bad. Just wait a couple years after an NRST and a couple rate hikes.

308 posted on 11/06/2002 3:23:20 PM PST by William Terrell
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To: William Terrell
that rationale doesnt work, because with a sales tax, EVERYONE will be paying the taxes, not just 50% of the enslaved as it is now. the voice of ALL will be heard at the polls if the sales tax creeps up to 28%, not just the minority in this country that currently pays the lion's share of the taxes.
313 posted on 11/06/2002 3:27:37 PM PST by nocommies
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To: William Terrell
...Scrapping the IRS and income tax code is all well and fine, but realize that the 16th amendment will have to be repealed first...

If we scrap the tax code and send IRS agents packing, who exactly will tax our income? It was supposed to be voluntary in the first place. All they need to do is give us permission to sign a form that we no longer volunteer.

339 posted on 11/06/2002 4:00:26 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March
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To: William Terrell; All
To all readers, a simple response is all that is needed. Read the Americans for Fair Tax at fairtax.org.
348 posted on 11/06/2002 4:07:09 PM PST by Zon
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