Posted on 11/06/2002 5:34:44 AM PST by logic101.net
TIME FOR AN END TO THE CONSERVATIVE INFIGHTING MARK A SITY 11/6/02
When WI taxpayers burden skyrockets, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Milwaukee and the surrounding area are saddled with a light rail system few want, and no one will ride, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When caps on property taxes are removed, and property taxes skyrocket, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When welfare reform is de-reformed in WI, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When public schools in WI get even worse, and the public school teachers get huge raises, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When WI residents find their rights to defend themselves against criminals who break into their homes weakened, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When companies leave WI, or decide not to set up shop here due to our repressive tax structure, we have Ed Thompson to thank. When Gov Jim "bingo" Doyle rewards his contributors, at the expense of the taxpayers (as he has a history of doing), we have Ed Thompson to thank.
Who is Ed Thompson? Ed is the brother of Tommy, our former governor; the current HHS Secretary. Ed was the Libertarian candidate for governor in WI. Ed gave the Governor's Mansion to Bingo Jim by getting 10% of the vote. Governor McCallum lost the election by only 3%. Thanks Ed.
IL can say much the same for Cal Skinner. I don't know how much of the vote Cal got, but it is likely that Jim Ryan would have won there rather than the Democrat were it not for Cal. One good thing for WI residents over IL residents; at least we can pronounce and spell Bingo Jim's name. I won't even try either for the IL Governor Elect!
Let's keep in mind that Libertarians and Republicans are generally going in the same direction. True, the Republicans don't want to go as far as Libertarians, and there are some very contrary views. However, both generally want a smaller federal government that is less intrusive. Democrats on the other hand want bigger and bigger government. They want hand outs. They want dependency. They want Socialism rather than freedom! They want gun control rather than criminal control. They want ignorant sheeple rather than an informed, educated self-dependent population. I prefer much of the Libertarian agenda to that of the Republicans, but I find the Democrat agenda totally repulsive. Libertarians often hand elections to the Democrats, by taking away conservative leaning votes. When a Libertarian candidate's message resonates with the public; Democrats win! A Democratic win doesn't help Republicans, Libertarians, or Constitutionalists! It sets back all of our causes. It is well past time for Libertarians and Republicans to get together to defeat the common enemy. We can work out our differences later; let's get rid of the common threat first! As far as my views; neither Libertarians nor Republicans go far enough; I am a Constitutionalist! Yet, I generally vote Republican; I'm a realist. When we break the stranglehold of the left, then we can fight each other; but let's fight each other on our terms, not theirs!
Now, as far as Ed Thompson goes; well I have to steal a line from one of my favorite movies (They Call Me Trinity). I'm not mad at Ed, I'm mad at his ma. She should have strangled him, or at least drown him when he was born.
MARK A SITY http://www.logic101.net/
They'll happily engage in fraud to provide themselves with an audience for their "no fraud" mantra. Doublethink is one of their specialties.
I'll call your bluff. Hit the abuse button button and let's see if the mods think so.
I also believe as a Christian that a libertarian society is only truly well suited to conservative Christians such as myself. Conversely, I do not believe it is presently suited to America as a whole or to atheists in particular. As long as atheists champion libertarianism in existing circumstances, I want no part of it.
I am discerning and savvy enough to see that the flowering of atheist libertarianism has coincided with the rise of sexual promiscuity, abortion, pornography, AIDS and other STDs, the disintegration of the traditional family, and the rise of the nanny state. The nanny state is the ultimate consequence of these evils--indeed, it is the necessary consequence of the self-worshipping hedonistic "man is measure of all things" atheist libertarian ethic. The alternative is anarchy, which the nation as a whole will likely never accept.
There is a mid-point between total nanny statism and anarchy on that spectrum of political action, and it is where we are now: passing more and more laws in a vain and desperate attempt to impose discipline on hedonist adult-children externally to compensate for their total lack of self-discipline internally. We cannot stay at that point. It is fundamentally unstable. We must and will fall toward total nanny statism or anarchy. The trend is already established. It is toward total nanny statism.
Now, I don't savor the destination one bit. But it is where feckless libertines and the liberal democrats are jointly taking us.
Libertarians rage and rave against the nanny state, but they themselves are directly responsible for its ascendance. They want the untrammeled freedom to engage in destructive personal childish self-indulgent behaviors that impose enormous external costs on others, but they they become angry when they are treated like children by fellow citizens or the state. Their feeble protestations to the contrary, they want freedom without consequence. In short, they want license.
In sum, I place about the same amount of trust in atheists to implement workable libertarianism as I do in Democrats to manage my personal property.
Look at it this way, even our military practices fighting wars all the time. We should be practicing fighting the left constantly here. To do that, leftwing posters must be allowed to fire the shot, and defend the position. Whenever I see a good left right debate, such as Dr. Keyes/Derchowich, (sp?), the conservative principles ring true and clear. I respect an argued position. I ignore one sided conversations.
You are mixing cause and action. Libertarians did not cause "hedonistic and adult children". The ruling powers in the media and govt education have. Libertarians have never, and will never control the US govt, nor the media. It is well established who controls the media. In all honestly we can not even discuss this issue fully here at FR anymore, without being labeled, then banished.
In the business I'm in, sometimes we are forced to spot buy steel of an inferior quality. That is where I believe this nation is now. Our elected are in reaction mode to the effects of what the media/education cartel have created.
Do you really believe this statmenet Kevin? As gently as I can say it, without labeling you in any manner, you have been misguided. Libertarian principles have never been the root of any cause and effect in our nation.
As for LP, some are there because they were banned, and I suppose that is where they feel most at home if they cannot post at FR. I would not have banned any of them, but FR isn't my site. I still believe there is a far wider range of divergent opinions here at FR than there is LP or LF. The sense I get at LP and LF is that no one would dare oppose the pro-dope groupthink, for example. Here, the two sides rage on that issue openly and continuously.
Are you talking about anti-Semitism?
Libertarians want freedom WITH all consequences.
Republicans/Democrats want limited freedoms to avoid consequences.
There has never been a free society. I personaly believe Heaven is where we will find utopia. Only after the consequences of freedom and tyranny are experienced, can a republic be honestly governed.
Freedom isn't a free lunch.
Libertarians rage and rave against the nanny state, but they themselves are directly responsible for its ascendance.
Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on this. How are Libertarians directly responsible for the nanny state?
No. I was posting about the cause of hedonism.
"Freedom isn't a free lunch."
No Roscoe it isn't. Now that you told me what is isn't, can you define what it is?
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