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To: thinktwice; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
There is a contradiction in claiming that God exists in reality while claiming that God created everything -- including His own Self -- that exists in reality.

unspun raises his head from Autumn's debris...

That would be a silly contradiction, alright. Rather, it is appropriate to say that God is the uncreated Prior to all else (other than God) that is reality. That'll be $0.10. Blessings to see in the light.

443 posted on 10/30/2003 6:22:09 AM PST by unspun ("Do everything in love." | No I don't look anything like her but I do like to hear "Unspun w/ AnnaZ")
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To: unspun
Blessings to see in the light.

Thank you, and the same to you.

There is, nowever, nothing silly in contradictions; they serve to advance truth and knowledge.

Ref ... Aristotle's Law of Non-Contradiction.

He who examines the most general features of existence, must investigate also the principles of reasoning. For he who gets the best grasp of his respective subject will be most able to discuss its basic principles. So that he who gets the best grasp of existing things qua existing must be able to discuss the basic principles of all existence; and he is the philosopher. And the most certain principle of all is that about which it is impossible to be mistaken... It is clear, then, that such a principle is the most certain of all and we can state it thus: "It is impossible for the same thing at the same time to belong and not belong to the same thing at the same time and in the same respect."
-Aristotle, Metaphysics, 1005b12-20
Formulation for the Law of Non-contradiction

444 posted on 10/30/2003 7:22:07 AM PST by thinktwice ("No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction ... " -- Ayn Rand)
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To: unspun; thinktwice; betty boop
Thank you so much for the heads up, unspun! I love your answer!

Here is thinktwice's speculation from the previous post:

There is a contradiction in claiming that God exists in reality while claiming that God created everything -- including His own Self -- that exists in reality.

And what I've proved, thank's to that contradiction, is that the commonly identified causitive factor behind reality is beyond reality; that he, she, or it does not exist in reality; that he, she, or it transcends reality -- that God does not exist in reality.

One can deduce a number of interesting anomalies when the presumption is made that reality is defined by a single time dimension and three spatial dimensions. Nevertheless, as unspun observed, the God of creation is the uncreated Prior and has no such boundary limitations.

Notwithstanding unspun's argument, the cause/effect relationship thinktwice asserts goes completely out the window when we add an extra time dimension to the concept of “reality". This is because when there is more than one time dimension, our time is not a line but a plane.

Naturally, in our 4D timeline-like worldview we make limited observations, one frame at a time. But in a higher spatial dimension - and especially in higher temporal dimensions - the entire movie is one instance (or brane.)

(Notably, if the extra dimensions were only spatial it would appear like a tangled bowl of spaghetti.)

The fact that 73% of the mass of the universe is dark energy, or negative gravity causing acceleration, is in itself a good indication of another time dimension.

If you’d like to read more on this subject (all pdf):

Constraints on Extra Time Dimensions

Geometric Physics

The Curse of Dimensionality


445 posted on 10/30/2003 8:44:20 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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