If you had seen the size of the crater that was there, you would truely believe that the truck bomb did the damage
Thanks for the first hand account. Could you describe the location of the crater relative to this photo?
Posted on 11/04/2002 7:39:55 AM PST by TXnMA
Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna Davis strikes back!)
(Editor's Note: The following is a response by journalist Jayna Davis to certain assertions by Cate McCauley, an investigator appointed by the U.S. District Court to assist with the appeal of convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, which were published in the October 30 article 'McVeigh Defense Investigator questions Senator's Probe.')
"Twenty-two witness affidavits supported by 25-hundred pages of corroborative evidence is hardly a 'very small package of information,' (about the Oklahoma City bombing). McCauley is wholly unqualified to criticize the complexities of the investigative dossier because she has never reviewed it.
I interviewed nearly 80 potential witnesses, but I deemed only two-dozen to be credible because the veracity of their testimonies could be independently corroborated and their stories did not conflict with the government's timeline of the movements of the Oklahoma City bombers. All confidently identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom are former Iraqi soldiers, collaborating with McVeigh and Nichols during various stages of the bombing plot. They have signed sworn affidavits confirming their testimonies.
After a thorough vetting process, this investigation has earned the ringing endorsement of the lead impeachment prosecutor David Schippers, former Deputy Director of the State Department's Office of Counter Terrorism Larry Johnson, former Director of the CIA James Woolsey, former Chief of Human Intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency Colonel Patrick Lang, the Director of Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare Yossef Bodansky, and the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, including senior editorial writer Micah Morrison.
Former CIA analyst and Deputy Director of Counter Terrorism for the Department of State, Larry Johnson, has determined that 'without a doubt, there is a definite Middle Eastern tie to the Oklahoma City bombing.' As a Fox News consultant, he has expressed publicly his concern that the Islamic terrorist network, which assisted McVeigh and Nichols, is still operational and poses a threat to national security.
In addition to comprehensive coverage published by the Indianapolis Star and the LA Weekly, I have been invited as a guest to discuss this investigation with Lou Dobb's of CNN, Fox News (Bill O'Reilly, John Gibson, Greta Van Susteren, and John Scott). The credibility of my work has also been recognized by nationally syndicated radio show host Glenn Beck as well as numerous talk radio programs in several major markets (New York, San Fransico, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa, Miami, Nashville, and Richmond.)
(Regarding the civil suit brought against Davis over certain information concerning her investigation,) The court ruling in that lawsuit established I acted responsibly. When I resigned my position at KFOR, I was legally responsible to protect the recorded statements of the confidential witnesses. (Oklahoma State District Court) Judge (Brian) Dixon upheld my journalistic First Amendment pledge to the confidential witnesses to keep their statements sealed until such time that 'law enforcement officials launched a legitimate investigation into the identity of those involved in the April 19, 1995 bombing of the Murrah Building.'"
Jayna Davis Yukon, OK
FINAL REPORT OF THE GRAND JURY
F. EXPLOSIVES REPORTED TO BE FOUND IN THE BUILDING
We investigated claims that explosives were found in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Our investigation determined as follows:
A desk ornament that looked like a bundle of dynamite with a clock attached to it. The desk ornament belonged to an ATF agent, and was not an explosive device.
Several federal law enforcement agencies were housed in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Small arms and small arms ammunition were not an uncommon discovery throughout the search and rescue phase.
An inert T.O.W. missile was found and mistaken for a secondary explosive device. The inert T.O.W. missile belonged to the U.S. Customs Department.
Based on our review of video tapes and photographs, packages of small arms ammunition were mistaken for packs of C4 explosive by one Oklahoma City Police Department officer.
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I am very weary of the claims that the OKC Fire Department evacuated the Murrah Building leaving victims to die as Firemen retreated from desk ornaments,an inert TOW missile and small arms ammunition. There is no limit to dishonor the federal government is prepared to bestow on the brave firefighters and policemen in the building that day in order to cover up the additional unexploded bombs in the Murrah Building.
Don't take my word for it, go ask a Fireman if he would abandon dying victims after discovering "small arms ammunition" or a desk ornament and see what he says.
Consider the firefighters running up the stairwell in the World Trade Center toward a 767 jumbo jet on fire and compare that to what the federal government is expecting us to believe about the OKC firefighters. I am not buying it.
Too many Oklahoma firefighters have died in the line of duty for me to buy it.
Consider the firefighters running up the stairwell in the World Trade Center toward a 767 jumbo jet on fire and compare that to what the federal government is expecting us to believe about the OKC firefighters. I am not buying it.
I do not see the wisdom of your belief. Is it your belief that firemen and rescue personnel should stay in a building if there is belief that the building will blow up and they will be killed themselves? I remember hearing, and seeing, that on 9/11, when it became obvious that the buildings might collapse, the firemen were ordered to evacuate. And they did evacuate. Yes, there were over 300 that didn't make it out, but they were ordered out. Many died trying to get out. And had that order not been given, there would have been 300+ more that died. Firefighters are trained for fighting fires and rescuing people, but if the situation appears as though those firemen will surely die themselves, then they are ordered out. What good is a dead fireman. Don't say it didn't happen. It did. They were ordered out. I was there. Were you? And as to 9/11, again, there were orders for the firemen to evacuate. And they did. You saw the video. I did too. That doesn't diminish their valor and bravery. But there is no point in killing firemen if it can be avoided. Again, a dead fireman cannot help anyone. Firemen don't run into burning buildings if there is not possible way for them to get in, or out. If the building looks as though it will collapse, they don't go in. It happens everyday.
There is no question the firemen were ordered out, but just as in the case of the WTC, for good reason.
The evidence is clear, the firemen were not ordered out because someone discovered a desk ornament or a 48" TOW missile, or boxes of bullets.
Is it your belief that firemen and rescue personnel should stay in a building if there is belief that the building will blow up and they will be killed themselves?
Do you believe the rescue was terminated because someone discovered a desk ornament, a TOW missile or boxes of bullets?
Did you ever ask who specifically gave the order to evacuate and for what specific reason? I know of at least one firefighter that abandoned a dying lady trapped in the rubble begging for his help. When he returned the lady was dead. If you ask me, that man deserves an answer to the questions who ordered termination on the rescue operations and for what specific reason. I don't know if I deserve an answer, but I know I want one.
It appears you are unfamiliar with the work of Benton K. Partin Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.).
I highy recommend reading the report. I can summarize it for you. Based on the known laws of physics, it was impossible for the Ryder truck alone to do the damage that occurred to the Murrah Building.
Are you familiar with the Eglin study?
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b03c6a949c4.htm
Partin Report:
Bomb Damage Analysis Of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building
Could you please shed some light on the biggest question for me surrounding the OKC bombing.
How do you explain Oklahoma law enforcement officers looking the other way when the FBI and the OKC Police Department participated in the cover up of the murder of OKC Police Officer Terry Yeakey?
Is it a matter of following orders or career security concerns? I can completely understand law enforcement officers looking the other when ordered by their superiors to do so about the murder of a stranger, but I can not understand how the Oklahoma law enforcement community could turn their back on one of their own and an American hero and his family.
If there is any doubt in your mind about the murder and cover up concerning Officer Terry Yeakey's death, please listen to the Tonia Yeakey interview at the link below. The transcripts are also on the link and the letter Terry wrote to his friend Ramona foreshadowing his murder.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618176/posts
First OKCPD Officer in Murrah Building Murdered, Throat Cut, Body Dragged with Rope
AT the Murrah building. If you stood on the south side of the building, it looked almost like nothing happened. Other than some of the windows blown out, you couldn't really tell that the front was almost all gone. On the south side, you could see into some of the offices, and it looked like nothing happened. Pictures still on the walls. Coats/jackets still on racks. Papers still on desks. Only the front side was destroyed. And the damage was greater on the end of the building where the truck was parked. The truck was not directly in front of the building. It was more toward the east end. And the damage was greater on the east end. In fact, on the west end, the floors didn't collapse at the end, like the east end. The epicenter of the blast was about half way between the center of the building and the east end. And that was where the greatest damage was. If the general's theory is correct, then the suspects were so good that they placed the bombs in a way that correpsonded to where the truck was parked. It just doesn't work.
Still, it was the Ryder truck bomb. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you had seen the size of the crater that was there, you would truely believe that the truck bomb did the damage
Thanks for the first hand account. Could you describe the location of the crater relative to this photo?
Sorry, again, I'm not buying it.
Amazing. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you wanted to make a quick reply before listening to the Tonia Yeakey interview.
I am not yet prepared to believe that you do not have the time to listen to the words from the mother of Terry Yeakey's two children describing the circumstances surrounding his murder.
If you do not have the time to listen or read the letter to Ramona, then at least you have answered my question, if you realize it or not.
How do you explain Oklahoma law enforcement officers looking the other way when the FBI and the OKC Police Department participated in the cover up of the murder of OKC Police Officer Terry Yeakey?
Rescuers live with memories - Many didn't seek help in dealing with stress
Diane Plumberg
04/16/2000
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Terry Yeakey restored many families that day.
The 30-year-old police sergeant crawled over piles of crushed concrete and furniture as electrical wires sparked overhead. He saved Richard Williams, Randy Ledger, Tom Hall and a woman he only knew by her injuries.
Not long after the bombing, a friend, Romona McDonald, said Yeakey wrote her about his problems.
"I think my days as a police officer are numbered," the letter stated. "I think there is a lot of secrets floating around now about my mental state of mind. I believe that a lot of the problems the officers are having right now are because some of them know what really happened and can't deal with it."
In May 1996, Yeakey was found in a grassy field near a grove of trees in El Reno, where Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had been held in a federal prison. He had slit his wrists and neck and shot himself in the head. Yeakey is buried next to his mother in an El Reno cemetery. He left behind two young daughters, who are now 8 and 6.
Police Sgt. Jerry Flowers said, "You learn to live with it."
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More of the Terry Yeakey letter to Ramona described in the Daily Oklahoman article.
Dear Ramona,
I hope that whatever you hear now and in the future will not change your opinions about myself or others with the Oklahoma City Police Department, although some of the things I am about to tell you about is [sic] very disturbing.
I don't know if you recall everything that happened that morning or not, so I am not sure if you know what I am referring to.
The man that you and I were talking about in the pictures I have, made the mistake of asking too many questions as to his role in the bombing, and was told to back off.
I was told by several officers he was a ATF agent who was overseeing the bombing plot and at the time the photos were taken he was calling in his report of what had just went down!
I think my days as a police officer are numbered because of the way my supervisors are acting and there is [sic] a lot of secrets floating around now about my mental state of mind. I think they are going to write me up because of my ex-wife and a VPO.
I told you about talking to Chaplain Poe, well the bastard wrote up in a report stating I should be relieved of my duties! I made the mistake of thinking that a person's conversation with a chaplain was private, which by the way might have cost me my job as a police officer! A friend at headquarters told me that Poe sent out letters to everyone in the department! That BITCH (Jo Ann Randall) I told you about is up to something and I think it has something to do with Poe. If she gets her way, they will tar and feather me!
I was told that Jack Poe has written up a report on every single officer that has been in to see him, including Gordon Martin and John Avery.
Knowing what I know now, and understanding fully just what went down that morning, makes me ashamed to wear a badge from Oklahoma City's Police Department. I took an oath to uphold the Law and to enforce the Law to the best of my ability. This is something I cannot honestly do and hold my head up proud any longer if I keep my silence as I am ordered to do.
There are several others out there who was [sic] what we saw and even some who played a role in what happened that day.
[Two Pages Missing]
My guess is the more time an officer has to think about the screw up the more he is going to question what happened... Can you imagine what would be coming down now if that had been our officers' who had let this happen? Because it was the feds that did this and not the locals, is the reason it's okay. You were right all along and I am truly sorry I doubted you and your motives about recording history. You should know that it is going to one-hell-of-a-fight.
Everyone was behind you until you started asking questions as I did, as to how so many federal agents arrived at the scene at the same time.
Luke Franey (a BATF agent who claimed he was in the building) was not in the building at the time of the blast, I know this for a fact, I saw him! I also saw full riot gear worn with rifles in hand, why? Don't make the mistake as I did and ask the wrong people.
I worry about you and your young family because of some of the statements that have been made towards me, a police officer! Whatever you do don't confront McPhearson with the bomb squad about what I told you. His actions and defensiveness towards the bombing would make any normal person think he was defending himself as if he drove the damn truck up to the building himself. I am not worried for myself, but for you and your group. I would not be afraid to say at this time that you and your family could be harmed if you get any closer to the truth. At this time I think for your well being it is best for you to distance yourself and others from those of us who have stirred up to many questions about the altering and falsifying of the federal investigation's reports.
I truly believe there are other officers like me out there who would not settle for anything but the truth, it is just a matter of finding them. The only true problem as I see it is, who do we turn to then?
It is vital that people like you, Edye Smith, and others keep asking questions and demanding answers for the actions of our federal government and law enforcement agencies that knew beforehand and participated in the cover-up.
The sad truth of the matter is that they have so many police officers convinced that by covering up the truth about the operation gone wrong, that they are actually doing our citizens a favor. What I want to know is how many other operations have they had that blew up in their faces? Makes you stop and take another look at Waco.
I would consider it to be an insult to my profession as a police officer and to the citizens of Oklahoma for ANY of the City, State or Federal agents that stood by and let this happen to be recognized as any thing other than their part in participation in letting this happen. For those who ran from the scene to change their attire to hide the fact that they were there, should be judged as cowards.
If our history books and records are ever truly corrected about that day it will show this and maybe even some lame excuse as to why it happened, but I truly don't believe it will from what I now know to be the truth.
Even if I tried to explain it to you the way it was explained to me, and the ridiculous reason for having [our] own police departments falsify reports to their fellow officers, to the citizens of the city and to our country, you would understand why I feel the way I do about all of this.
I believe that a lot of the problems the officers are having right now are because some of them know what really happened and can't deal with it, and others like myself made the mistake of trusting the one person we were supposed to be able to turn to (Chaplain Poe) only to be stabbed in the back.
I am sad to say that I believe my days as a police officer are numbered because of all of this....
If you ever run across a photo which shows the crater you are describing I would appreciate it if you would provide a link, an address, or post a copy on FR. I have looked at many photos of the Murrah Building and I have not yet seen a photo of a crater as you described it. A picture would be worth a thousand words.
The Ryder rental truck before the bombing (AP)
Release the Videotapes!
No autopsy was performed. Someone with your credentials should understand the significance of that fact.
If you are interested in the truth, I would suggest you contact Don Browning, formerly of the OKC Police Department K-9 Unit.He was there that day and I believe he can help you if you are interested in the truth about the murder of Police Officer Terry Yeakey.
I don't know enough about Yeakey's death to form an opinion either way. And quite frankly, neither do you
Frankly, Tonia Yeakey does know enough to form an opinion.
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