[ppaul]

I won't suppose you'll present any evidence that anything other than natural processes are at work here.

It is self-evident - to use the language of our founding fathers.

[garbanzo]

Lots of "self-evident" things have later been disproven by careful examination of evidence. Not that I'm deeply interested in continuing this since I know where it's going (lots of bluffing but no real evidence on your part).

[MHGinTN]

In the 'spirit' of what the founders would endorse, the issue of the right to life already in operation --as with the life of an indivbidual human in the womb-- is not a religious issue frst, it isan issue of life, period. You and I believe the Creator gives life. That others do not envoke the Creator is not the issue, the already alive individual is the central issue. Life support for alive individual humans need not envoke the Creator t endorse the continuance o life support. We have a great deal in common with garbanzo since he/she believes thatnascent life deserves the same right to life as other humans. Let's build on that commonality, okay?