The Real Lesson of the DC Sniper

The Sierra Times ^ | 11/1/02 | Liz Michael

[TexKat]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54517-2002Nov1.html
Mohammad and Malvo Bonded in Mother's Absence. From neighbors and witnesses in Antigua.

[sauropod]

That is because I have heard that Moose is a racist, in
spite of having a white wife. 'Pod

[keri]

Well, I don't think Mohammed could very well announce exactly what he was and what he was doing. His goal would be getting the message out without generating any heat for NOI.

If Liz Michael is right Mo's plan has worked beautifully.

[sauropod]

Would someone please explain to me what the h*ll a Five Percenter is?

Thx, 'Pod

[Tailgunner Joe]

bttt

[Bernard Marx]

Bump for bookmark.

[hellinahandcart]

five-percenters

hispanarepublicana wrote an excellent article on the subject as well.

[Grampa Dave]

I hope that "The families of Linda Franklin, killed on Oct. 14, and bus driver Conrad Johnson, killed on Oct. 22 get some very good civil court lawyers and sue these Politically Correct clymers who miss lead the public and the cops in the street for the emotional damage caused by the murders of their innocent loved ones!

Every white guy who was pulled out of his white van by gun point and thrown down on the pavement based on the Politically Correct Bravo Sierra should sue the Moose and all who were in on their political correctness charade.

Once this fiasco gets dragged in a civil court and those who played a part of the Political Correctness Charade will be ratted on by those who didn't or were just following orders to get whitey in the white van.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Makes sense!

Here is a lengthy but important document which should be read by all!

Jihadis in the Hood
Race, Urban Islam and the War on Terror

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[rdb3]

While certain Black Muslims may have rebuked this teaching, most notably Malcolm X (Malik Al Shabbazz), who was assassinated, probably by the Farrakhan faction, and while there are peaceful offshoots such as the group headed by the son of Elijah Muhammad, Warith Deen Mohammad, and while there are African-American Muslims who are followers of the more mainstream sects like the Sunnis, the Nation of Islam remains essentially an advocate of Black revolution. The NOI is estimated to have 200,000 members.

Split that nearly in half, and that would be a more accurate number.

The Black Muslims are heavily involved in what you might remember as a name from the 60's. The New Black Panther Party. The original Black Panther Party was a bit marxist in nature. The NEW Black Panther Party, however, is HEAVILY influenced by NOI activists.

A bit marxist? All of their underwear was the color red.

Moreover, what also needs to be remembered is that for every MEMBER of the Nation of Islam, there are probably three to four SYMPATHIZERS with them, not Muslims, not as disciplined, but definitely brothers. Moreover, Farrakhan is notorious for his alliances with black CHURCHES, and black MINISTERS, and has spoken before many black CHRISTIAN congregations.

True. There are quite a few "fellow travelers" around the NOI. But the author can't have it both ways. If sympathizers with the NOI don't actually belong to it, then they are not "definitely brothers." It's just like my collegiate fraternity days. Sure, we had "hangers-on," but they weren't "frats" usually because they lacked the GPA or did not have the intestinal fortitude to cross those blazing hot sands.

She rightly highlights the allegiances of so-called Christian ministers and Farrakhan. It's inexcusable. That's what I call bringing "strange fire" to your pulpit.

Think about how violent many Black neighborhoods are and how many of these young men have turned this violence upon one another. Then imagine the Crips and the Bloods and all the rest of the "gangstas" uniting to turn the gun on America.

Yeah, you can "imagine" it. But that's all it is when it comes down to street thugs. They are motivated by money, not some misguided political or religious cause. I'm not telling the reader what I heard. I'm telling the reader what I know.

The black people you see integrated into American society wanted to be integrated and accepted into it. The Nation of Islam, however, doesn't WANT integration. They are segregationists of the highest order. And to them, most of YOU are still "Devils".

No argument from me on this point. None at all.

The thing which makes NOI Muslims particularly dangerous is their discipline. They are probably the most disciplined black people in America, and among the most disciplined Muslims in the world. There is a security arm of NOI called the Fruit of Islam, which is one of the best trained militias in the country. Most of these people have been preparing for the day they GET to do what John Muhammad apparently HAS done. The training camp in Alabama frequently by many Black Muslims is reported to be linked to Al Qaeda.

This is worthy of paying attention. I don't have any proof one way or the other. It is, however, extremely plausible.

The remainder of the article is in the same vein. She raises very cogent points. But you'd be crazy to think that I don't find her tone "alarming." Either way, don't tread on me.

No mercy.
Coming soon: Tha SYNDICATE.

[RLK]

I believe you are giving Manson far more power, and power over these kids, than he actually had. Manson is a creation of the press and the hysteria of the time. The world couldn't believe these kids were as capable of evil as they were. They thought there had to be some evil genius in the background creating monsters out of the kids. they created Manson to do it. Manson fit the image in appearance with his wild eyes and ravings at close camera angles. It sold well in photographs. But the kids didn't need any help from Manson. Manson took the fall for it.

[browardchad]

Thanks for the comments.

[Mitchell]

Well, I don't think Mohammed could very well announce exactly what he was and what he was doing. His goal would be getting the message out without generating any heat for NOI.

I'm not even sure that it's the Nation of Islam itself, rather than this Nation of Gods and Earths, or some other such group, or even simply a general call for violence among black separatists.

It seems the goal would be to get the message out clearly to the true believers, but to couch it in language obscure to mainstream America.

However, I still don't see why they stopped hiding and essentially let themselves get caught. Ordinarily I'd say that there might be no reason, just a mistake on their part or emotional exhaustion. But the "duck in a noose" message right before they were captured strongly suggests that they let themselves get caught on purpose.

[browardchad]

But the kids didn't need any help from Manson. Manson took the fall for it.

I really don't know enough about the Manson case to argue that point; but if Manson isn't a good analogy, does that invalidate the basic theory of the writer, in your opinion?

[Mitchell]

Would someone please explain to me what the h*ll a Five Percenter is?

The Five Percent Nation of Islam, also known as the Nation of Gods and Earths, is an offshoot of the Nation of Islam (and separate from it). It's apparently been popularized by a number of rap musicians.

See their web page at http://www.ibiblio.org/nge/.

[Mitchell]

Michaels is obviously a libertarian, as you imply, but while I don’t agree with some of her beliefs, I think she may be right on target with this theory.

Liz Michael may well be on target with this theory. My other comment wasn't, however, alluding to her libertarianism, but to the off-the-wall nature of her biography on her web site. There's the religious cultism, there's the fact that she says she is a graduate of Wharton who is not only a tax accountant and marketing executive, but also a wrestling journalist and a professional wrestler ("The Taskmistress"), there's the fact that she's running as an extreme libertarian in the Democratic primary, and so on.

Overall, her web site gives a very strange personal impression, in my opinion. This has nothing to do with her libertarianism itself, which I don't view as out of the ordinary at all (and I wouldn't have made a comment on somebody like, say, Ron Paul or Harry Browne).

[sauropod]

Thx. All I know that when the NBP folks walked by our rally to join the extreme leftist rally last weekend, they exuded attitude.

I mean really exuded it. HRP

[Capt. Tom]

The FBI, the ATF, and all the county law enforcement didn't dig up Jimmy Jack Sugar to get this guy this quickly. It may have taken them YEARS to solve this crime if they ever solved it. It took them seventeen years to catch Ted Kaczynski.

Actually Law enforcement didn't catch Ted Kaczynski. He was turned in to the FBI by his brother David.

"One man – David Kaczynski – came to the sickening realization that the Manifesto’s writing style and philosophy closely matched that of his older brother Theodore (Ted) Kaczynski. David and his wife Linda were devastated by the thought that Ted could have spent 18 years terrorizing and killing so many innocent people. But the more they read, the more similarities they discovered."

[Lion's Cub]

But the "duck in a noose" message right before they were captured strongly suggests that they let themselves get caught on purpose

No it doesn't. Show me even one version of the tale in which "the duck in the noose" gets caught. The duck in the noose always gets away. Since the sniper is "like a duck in a noose", I'd say he got away with $10M...

Does that mean I think these guys are innocent? No. I just think they were protected by someone bigger who found them to be useful idiots--then killed two birds with one stone. By giving them up, he got rid of them--and got $10M for his next project...

[Mitchell]

Do you think the authorities paid the $10 million (to somebody)? I think that's very unlikely.