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Drudge: Killer flu 'on the way'
Drudge Report ^ | Nov 2, 2002 | BBC

Posted on 11/02/2002 5:53:50 AM PST by The Raven

Experts say governments across Europe need to plan for a virulent flu outbreak that could claim hundreds of thousands of lives.

Although the last two winters have brought only mild strains of flu to the UK, the viruses are constantly mutating and scientists say it is only a matter of time before a powerful strain emerges.

Whatever knowledge, technology and skills we develop, eventually it's the policy makers and the politicians that decide what is going to happen

Professor Albert Osterhaus, Erasmus University While it may not be as damaging as the 1918 "Spanish flu" that killed tens of millions in Europe alone, they say that the continent is not ready to cope with another pandemic.

This "superflu" is caused by an influenza virus, but its fatality rate is more reminiscent of lethal haemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola.

Previous versions, including the Spanish flu, had mutated into a form which the human immune system could not tackle.

It is possible that, at any time, the virus could mutate again and produce a strain that could share many of these lethal genetic characteristics.

Strategies

Virologists from throughout Europe are meeting in Malta this week to discuss the best strategy for first predicting, and then handling a major outbreak.

Albert Osterhaus, a professor of virology at Erasmus Univeristy in Rotterdam, said: "Whatever knowledge, technology and skills we develop, eventually it's the policy makers and the politicians that decide what is going to happen."

European citizens will expect everything possible to have been done at every level of public authority

Robert Coleman, European Commission Some experts have been looking at the genetic structure of the virus which caused the 1918 pandemic, as well as a serious outbreak in Hong Kong in 1997 for clues which may help doctors combat such an outbreak.

There were three flu pandemics in the last century, in 1918, 1957 and 1968.

Even though the 1957 and 1968 outbreaks were less severe than the Spanish flu, they still accounted for 40m deaths between them.

Overdue attack

Researchers suggest that an approximate 30 year cycle between pandemics means we are well overdue for another one.

Robert Coleman, the director general of health and consumer protection at the European Commission, said: "The action we take now will determine how well we combat the next major influenza threat we will face.

"European citizens will expect everything possible to have been done at every level of public authority.

"It will be several months at least after the start of the pandemic before a vaccine is available.

"Antiviral drugs could help during this period, but stockpiles would need to be in place well in advance. This is not yet the case."


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To: The Raven
Muttly doesn't get flu. He refuses. Muttly hasn't had flu shot since Swine Flu scare.

Now Muttly just eat virus, and its friends get afraid and run away...I guess. That or they're all Swine Flu, or he has something that kills it...like health, and not worrying about no dumb bug...unless it's weaponized.

Muttly eats raw garlic, so even his friends run away. Saves time.
81 posted on 11/02/2002 5:21:37 PM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: Geezerette
Hey Geeze, just try a quart of whiskey. You may die from the flu but then you won't care. :-)
82 posted on 11/02/2002 5:24:17 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: Rye
However, there's medical evidence to suggest that taking it for extended periods of time when you're healthy might actually weaken one's immune system. Same for Golden Seal.

With all due respect, I believe what you are saying is a distortion of a popular belief amongst herbalists. (I'm an herbalist.) The notion is that taking Echinacea long term causes it to lose its effect of stimulating the immune system. This has been debunked to my satisfaction but is probably still making the rounds in herbal circles. As for Golden Seal it is simply not an immune system stimulator. It helps kill bacteria. Good for secondary infections of the lungs, not very useful and very expensive for viral infections.

I have never heard that either have an adverse effect on the immune system. If you have a source for that I would be very interested. Thank you.

83 posted on 11/02/2002 5:31:10 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: spectre
Our first experience with flu shots was when my husband was in the Coast Guard '58 to '61. He was given the flu shot & got sick every time. A live virus was used & you had the flu. Consequently I refused to take the shot & luckily stayed well. Then we came home to Texas & lived in a small town where everyone in town got sick every winter with the flu. After a few years someone told me that the flu shots were now made with a killed virus & you don't get sick. I have a flu shot every fall & haven't had the flu in years. It is still possible to catch a strain that you aren't protected against but so far so good.
84 posted on 11/02/2002 5:47:05 PM PST by Ditter
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To: TigersEye
Thank you for the ping. My wife and I have sought the advice of herbalists in the past, and have never been disappointed. She was bit by an insect of some sort while picking apples in North Carolina last year. This resulted in a 'spider-web' pattern of irritation that spread down her arm from the source of the bite. It made her itch quite a bit, and nothing was helping her. An herbalist we ran into in Daytona Beach gave her a formula called 'BITES', an oily solution containing garlic and cayenne. The irritation was GONE in 24 hours...we still use it for bug bites...the relief is almost instantaneous.



85 posted on 11/02/2002 6:01:45 PM PST by who knows what evil?
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To: who knows what evil?
That's great! I'll have to look for that. It sounds rational. I met an herbalist in the Soutwest who had a simple formula that would completely heal a brown recluse bite but, space cadet that I am, I didn't write it down and have forgotten it. The only think a physician can do is excise a very large chunk of flesh around the bite leaving a big scar, possibly a crater. The more time that passes the larger the excision. The herbal poultice would work at any stage. I believe it had cayenne in it as well as plantain (also known to help bug bites) and a couple of other things that I forgot. Doh!
86 posted on 11/02/2002 6:14:58 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: The Raven
Go to google and type in "Madagascar flu".

This past summer they had a very quick and virulent type A flu there, and in a matter of weeks around 23,000 people were infected, and around 700 died. Then after Aug. 28, no more information on this flu was put out AT ALL. I haven't forgotten though, I still look for information on it but the story was dropped altogether. And now this. Hmmm.....

88 posted on 11/02/2002 6:23:28 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: contessa machiaveli
Your dream just might come true.
89 posted on 11/02/2002 6:24:31 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: discostu
Have you read "Insomnia" by Stephen King? I loved that book. It was a bit strange, but really good.
90 posted on 11/02/2002 6:27:30 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: DBtoo
No, I kind of walked away from King a few years back. Kind of walked away from the whole light horror genre. Now I read a lot of Elmore Leonard and similar stuff. But I still love The Stand, one of the only books I've read more than 3 times (read both "versions" twice... actually I'm about do for another reread, even bought another copy at a yard sale in prep), and given how long that damn thing is and how slow a reader I am that's a big compliment.
91 posted on 11/02/2002 6:39:43 PM PST by discostu
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To: DBtoo
Go to google and type in "Madagascar flu"....Then after Aug. 28, no more information on this flu was put out AT ALL.

I took your suggestion and you are right. Strange isn't it?

92 posted on 11/02/2002 6:42:17 PM PST by TigersEye
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To: RnMomof7
I'm skeptical of any report warning of a superflu supposedly approaching the mortality rate of Ebola virus but supposedly not as bad as the 1918 flu. Based on my readings, Ebola virus looks a WHOLE LOT WORSE than the 1918 flu was.

The claims don't seem to be adding up. Maybe some knowledgeable Infectious Disease type can clear this up for me.

93 posted on 11/02/2002 7:38:40 PM PST by the_doc
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To: Randjuke
The link to MS and autism is pretty weak

Perhaps. But strong enough that the drug companies admit that their vaccines in some cases do cause MS. Thimerasol is a mercury derivative. Just making sure we're on the same page.

Furthermore, it is not recommended that people with normal immune systems receive the vaccine (not that it works anyway)... The list is short and the idea is to protect those who might develop complications from getting the flu, not the general population. Is that information being provided for the general population? No. In fact, many grocery stores are promoting these vaccines without any such limitation being advertised. See "Target groups for vaccination" in the link you provided.

94 posted on 11/02/2002 7:44:08 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Sooooo.....why do big companies encourage their employees with FREE flu shots, and grocery stores promote them, etc?
95 posted on 11/02/2002 8:48:05 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: goodnesswins
why do big companies encourage their employees with FREE flu shots

The flu shots are not "free."

96 posted on 11/02/2002 9:14:37 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Well, yes, technically, nothing is "free," but at my husband's company the employees and spouses are not CHARGED for the shots.
97 posted on 11/02/2002 9:17:22 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: solzhenitsyn
Straight skinny on influenza virus ( I'm a microbiologist):

The virus exists in a multitude of forms....the vaccine for any particular year is based on epidemiologic analysis of existing cases appx. 6 months prior to the next "flu season". So, in essence, the package of viruses that you get immunized against in any one season is based somewhat on a "best guess" analysis of prevailing virus. The immunity is excellent - but only against the virus package in the vaccine. You could unfortunately encounter another type of flu virus and get sick - it doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working - you just got unlucky.

The only reason influenza is "seasonal" is because it's more easily transmitted when people are in close quarters ( ie. inside during cold weather). Also, use of indoor heat reduces the relative humidity indoors, your nasal mucous membranes tend to dry up, and they become less effective in providing a "first line of defense" against invasion by the virus.

Fatalities due to influenza are not usually directly caused by the virus, they're caused by secondary bacterial infections ( without going into too much detail, suffice to say that the virus does a nasty job on the cells lining your trachea, and these are the cells that help to "catch" bacteria as they slide down the tube toward your lungs). Most deaths are due to pneumonia. the reason there were so many deaths in 1918 was because there were no antibiotics available to fight the secondary infections. So, basically, the flu virus itself doesn't kill ( naturally there are exceptions to this ) - it's the bacteria that cause the later infections that do most of the killing.

Bottom line - if you're older or if you're a smoker - or if you come in close contact with the public ( indoors ) ....I'd say to get the shot.

P.S. : the thimerosol is a preservative - it's the same stuff you find in contact lens solutions.

Hope this helps! ( and take the tinfoil off your hats - any season has the potential to be a 'bad' season - this one's no different.....this is one thing I don't stay up nights worrying about. I'd rather not say what I DO worry about!!!!).

98 posted on 11/02/2002 9:18:23 PM PST by bioprof
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To: The Raven
But how would that be possible...dont they have socialized (sp?) medicine? Oh well, they can always blame America
99 posted on 11/02/2002 10:40:11 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: discostu
I wanted to read the book but I saw the movie so it sort of ruined it for me. I know it's a thick book and I have heard it's good. I wish I hadn't watched the movie. I haven't read a lot of his books, but in general I like mysteries if I read fiction. I don't read as many books as I used to though because I spend too much time on the computer. In fact today I was thinking I should probably spend more time reading books again, among other things!
100 posted on 11/02/2002 11:40:28 PM PST by DBtoo
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