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To: FormerLurker
No you have not provided the motive, not once. The best you've come up with was "it's fraud", fraud isn't a motive in its own right, it's a crime you commit for some reason.

OK so you're saying HUNDREDS of companies are funneling in terrorists? Companies? When any terrorist with half a brain can just wander in as a regular tourist with no help from any corporation? Try again. Something reasonable. Here's the basic problems:
1 - most of the H1B fraud I've read about revolves around UNDER reporting, to avoid the paperwork and have the deportation axe to hold over the workers head
2 - this is the exact opposite of that, obviously the reasons would have to be different, what are they
3 - there's no logical reason to over report by filing multiple identical applications, if you want to sneak 120 people into Tucson you do ONE application for 120 not FOUR for 30, so even if you find a valid reason for 2 (which you haven't) you've still got to figure why they would use this grossly obvious flag raising method
4 - then after all that you've still got to apply Okham's Razor, you need a solution that's simpler than "the database or it's query procedures suck" for your answer to be more likely than my answer

239 posted on 11/05/2002 3:23:24 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu; Red Jones; Robert Lomax
No you have not provided the motive, not once.

Yes, I have provided valid motives. You appear to want more. Ok, let's talk about the following Indian company.

9 Indian (Immigrant) Women File $100 million suit against sex trade (Oakland, CA)

You see, Press Trust of India was bringing in young women (girls actually) to use as sex slaves. Obviously there is no H1-B category for a sex slave. SO, they had to get their visas from SOMEWHERE. If you look, Press Trust of India doesn't have ANY applications in the LCA database. Gee, I wonder where they might have found a few extra visas hanging around?

Perhaps it is the "duplicate" visas that we've seen in the LCA database. The ones where a company who says they have 300 engineers yet files applications for over 3000. Companies such as ABCOM that apparently dabbles in all sorts of things, and has MANY applications for all over the country yet many of those applications appear to be "duplicates".

I wonder how much a H1-B "programmer/analyst" visa would be worth? How wonder if any of these young women were classified as "programmer/analyst" when they entered this country. Sort of gives the term, "Americans get screwed by H1B programmers", a whole new meaning...

244 posted on 11/05/2002 5:35:12 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: discostu
4 - then after all that you've still got to apply Okham's Razor, you need a solution that's simpler than "the database or it's query procedures suck" for your answer to be more likely than my answer

I don't know about "Okham's" Razor, but I DO know a bit about Occam's Razor

And according to THAT razor, you look at the simplest and most straightforward explanation as the most likely answer. The simplest answer is that the data is valid and that it reflects the LCA applications correctly.

It is you that is stretching to find "answers" as to why the data shows what it does...

245 posted on 11/05/2002 5:52:16 PM PST by FormerLurker
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