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To: FormerLurker
It wasn't misguided, given that all my ammo has come from links you've provided I'd hardly say I was attempting to discredit anything, and gulliblity isn't criminal. There's nothing to be proud of or amused by, the data sucks, I'm in QA that kind of stuff sticks out.

There's nothing to come to light. Look it's a simple marter of smarts. If you're going to fraudulently file 3000 H1B applications (for reasons you have yet to figure out, what is to be gained by having permission to imports thousands of workers you're not going to import, that's one of the reasons I'm not buying that it's DCM's fault, you've presented no worthwhile motive) you don't make it so painfully obvious. Rule #1 of commiting fraud is to hide it. By filing 104 applications on the same day, some to the same city, they'd be maximizing they're opportunity to raise red flags. And AGAIN I'll re-iterate the very important FACT you keep ignoring:
DCM is not even close to the only company listing this way, I gave you another example that you've completely ignored all day and there's plenty more where that came from.
Just doesn't make sense for ALL of these companies to be fraudulently filing unnecessary H1Bs and to be doing so in such an idiotic and easily detected way. Doesn't add up. It's much more likely that the problem lies in how somebody is processing the data, maybe DOL maybe zozom or whoevers running the web site in question. If DCM was the only one I'd be with you, but they're not and not by a long shot. I don't think they claimed any such thing, I think crappy data is making it look that way.

Was the other fraud done like this? None of what I've seen (again coming from link YOU provided) works this way. Give me a motive, what's to be gained with permission to import 3000 H1B workers and zero intention to use them?

You've shown me nothing that gives a job category distribution of H1Bs. The questionable sites querying method and limited results set isn't useful for determining that information.

hey there's a favorite uselss link. Sorry I've gone through the process of trying to hire tech workers during the boom. The shortage was no myth, at least not here.
228 posted on 11/05/2002 1:48:17 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
It wasn't misguided, given that all my ammo has come from links you've provided I'd hardly say I was attempting to discredit anything, and gulliblity isn't criminal.

You're hopping on things you see in the database as if they simply can't be true. I'd say there exists the distinct possibility that what you see IS in fact true, and indicates rampant abuses in the H1-B program.

There's nothing to be proud of or amused by, the data sucks, I'm in QA that kind of stuff sticks out.

The FACTS might suck, but complain to the DOL if you don't like the data..

There's nothing to come to light. Look it's a simple marter of smarts.

That remains to be seen.

If you're going to fraudulently file 3000 H1B applications (for reasons you have yet to figure out, what is to be gained by having permission to imports thousands of workers you're not going to import, that's one of the reasons I'm not buying that it's DCM's fault, you've presented no worthwhile motive) you don't make it so painfully obvious.

You can't be serious. You're telling me you can't figure out why someone would want 2800 more H1-B visas than they need? Well gee, what if someone wanted to make money selling visas? What if someone wanted to bring people into this country for purposes other than they list on the application? The possibilities make the mind spin..

Rule #1 of commiting fraud is to hide it. By filing 104 applications on the same day, some to the same city, they'd be maximizing they're opportunity to raise red flags.

They probably figured since none of the laws are ever enforced, they needn't bother trying to be discreet, and have subsequently become quite emboldened.

And AGAIN I'll re-iterate the very important FACT you keep ignoring: DCM is not even close to the only company listing this way, I gave you another example that you've completely ignored all day and there's plenty more where that came from.

As I said, fraud is rampant. Perhaps we SHOULD look into that other company.

Just doesn't make sense for ALL of these companies to be fraudulently filing unnecessary H1Bs and to be doing so in such an idiotic and easily detected way. Doesn't add up.

MANY things don't add up when it comes to H1-B.

It's much more likely that the problem lies in how somebody is processing the data, maybe DOL maybe zozom or whoevers running the web site in question.

That is why this needs to be looked into. The data IS from DOL. If there are discrepencies in the way the data is collected and presented, then that needs to be identified. If however, the data is correct, that needs to be identified as well.

If DCM was the only one I'd be with you, but they're not and not by a long shot. I don't think they claimed any such thing, I think crappy data is making it look that way.

Who is "they"? Again, for the nthe time, just because the numbers look "funny" doesn't mean that the data is invalid..

Was the other fraud done like this? None of what I've seen (again coming from link YOU provided) works this way. Give me a motive, what's to be gained with permission to import 3000 H1B workers and zero intention to use them?

I've already answered that, but I'll say it again. There's the chance those visas could be sold. There's also the possibility that those visas could be loaned to companies that need H1-B people but can't file for one reason or another. There's also the possibility of terrorists utilizing visas to import their people into this country. You asked.

You've shown me nothing that gives a job category distribution of H1Bs. The questionable sites querying method and limited results set isn't useful for determining that information.

Have you bothered reading the FAQ that I gave you a link to? There are reports that you can get if you get in touch with them...

hey there's a favorite uselss link. Sorry I've gone through the process of trying to hire tech workers during the boom. The shortage was no myth, at least not here.

Fine, you should know by now though that there isn't a shortage NOW. There really never was for the most part, at least not to the extent claimed.

232 posted on 11/05/2002 2:38:30 PM PST by FormerLurker
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