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To: FormerLurker
Calm down dude, you're screaming all over the place.

Again I go back to my first position, DCM isn't even close to the only company showing up this way on the site. The most likely explanation is that there's something wrong with either the data or how it's being massaged. Especially when you factor in the multiple identical listings in the same city.

I never said "software engineer" wasn't a title. I said it's not a title SEARCHABLE in this database (and I'm guessing not a title that DOL considers to be distinct for H1B purposes. You made a big deal out of the jobs being listed as programmer/analysts rather than the supposed more profitable software engineer. I was simply pointing out that, at least within the limitations of that site, it's not possible to list jobs as software engineer. Whether or not it's a valid job title out in the rest of the world has zero bearing on a discussion of the data on your site (and I say "your site" because you pointed it out, I'm afraid readers might think "this site" refers to FR and I can't remember the name of the site in question and am too damn lazy to look it up... let me re-emphasise that to everybody I am NOT implying in any way the FormerLurker has anymore association to the site he linked to than the link itself indicates).
224 posted on 11/05/2002 1:18:36 PM PST by discostu
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To: discostu
Calm down dude, you're screaming all over the place.

Nah, I'm just highlighting that which I REALLY want to bring attention to...

Again I go back to my first position, DCM isn't even close to the only company showing up this way on the site.

Goes to show that fraud is rampant.

The most likely explanation is that there's something wrong with either the data or how it's being massaged.

The data isn't "massaged". It is an exact duplicate of the DOL database. If there's a problem, it's DOL's problem.

Especially when you factor in the multiple identical listings in the same city.

Again, fraud is rampant.

I never said "software engineer" wasn't a title.

I didn't say you did. I was bringing to your attention the fact that although it may not be a searchable category from with the selection criteria list, it is still returned in the title when an application utilizes that designation. Compuware was just one example. Go back and read my last post a little closer, maybe you'll understand if you take the time to read it...

I said it's not a title SEARCHABLE in this database (and I'm guessing not a title that DOL considers to be distinct for H1B purposes.

Again, DOL DOES consider it to be a distinct designation for H1-B purposes. There ARE applications that include that title.

You made a big deal out of the jobs being listed as programmer/analysts rather than the supposed more profitable software engineer.

Which IS an example of the deceptive practices that take place. Companies DO list software engineering positions as programmer/analyst in order to pay less salary. That has been one of the abuses of the H1-B program that has been identified as such.

I was simply pointing out that, at least within the limitations of that site, it's not possible to list jobs as software engineer.

It's possible to see them. Do the search I gave you as an example.

Whether or not it's a valid job title out in the rest of the world has zero bearing on a discussion of the data on your site (and I say "your site" because you pointed it out, I'm afraid readers might think "this site" refers to FR and I can't remember the name of the site in question and am too damn lazy to look it up...

It sure DOES have a bearing in this discussion. And the name of the site is Zazona.com.

let me re-emphasise that to everybody I am NOT implying in any way the FormerLurker has anymore association to the site he linked to than the link itself indicates).

Thanks. Not that I'd be ashamed of it, as the people that put it up on the net have done an outstanding job and have provided a valuable service. I just don't want to claim credit for someone elses work.

231 posted on 11/05/2002 2:19:52 PM PST by FormerLurker
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