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To: discostu
But the way they make the listing it makes things look worse. Over and over in there you'll see the same company with numerous identical listings, probably they're the same thing getting counted twice.

Wrong. The multiple listings are separate H1-B applications which can contain multiple workers per application. Each unique listing is a unique applicaion. Nothing mysterious or magical about it.

172 posted on 11/04/2002 3:37:41 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
I looked at the data for my city. Some engineering or computer-related companies seem to really rely on h1b a lot and others don't at all. Because some companies have a lot of listings and some are not listed at all.

But what shocked me is all the non-engineering, non-hightech, non computer related jobs that are listed. They have h1b's doing all kinds of things. Even marketing. I saw that 7-11 brought some people in to manage something and by the pay these guys get it seems they're probably managing a store or a store-clerk's boss at most. They've got all kinds of cooks for restaurants. Lots of people taking care of horses, domestic servants apparently too. They've got accounting people, finance people, architects, nurses. A lot of business-people feel it is a perfectly legitimate strategy to create paperwork to document that they can't find an american and then get an h1b to do it instead. They get to pay less than they would for an american and on top of that they get someone who almost certainly will fill the position for 6 years without complaint, without a raise, without job turnover, cheerfully working overtime and being subservient. Because if they don't, then they get fired and then they go immediately home and they let down their whole family in that they don't get to become citizens of US.

It amounts to a huge erosion of a citizen's rights if the job market in our own nation is to be destroyed by importing indentured servants in this manner. The free market and stable economy we have here is what produces this fruit that is the jobs in our economy. And we citizens are supposed to yield that fruit to foreigners?? Did the foreigners build the stabilityin our country that is so valuable? When the leaders in Washington get us into a war will these foreigners step forward and fight and die?? Our wages are driven downward by a government program and then when the government doesn't have the tax base it needs to pay for social security and medicaire, then will the foreigners pay those taxes instead of us??

We have real problems in our economy, but these problems are a lot more related to problems with our government than problems with our people. We need to address the real problems. Giving business a tool for smashing wages down is not solving the problem and that's what h1b is plain and simple. We should all vote against every single politician who supports it.
173 posted on 11/04/2002 4:16:13 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: FormerLurker
Are they? Seems odd to me that companies would have multiple identical H1B applications filed on the same day. See I go there and I see 4 listings for DCM ASIC TECHNOLOGIES LIMITED, all for programmer analysts all making $60,000/yr all starting on 2/15/01 all set to expire 2/14/04, all for 30 H1Bs; further down the page I see one for INFOSYS TECHNOLOGIES LTD for 100 employees so I know that 30s not the max for a single filing, don't know if you could file for 120 but I know you could file for 100 on one and 20 on another; further down still I see 3 listings for UBICS INC. all 100% identical again for 50 employees each.

It doesn't make sense for these to be unique applications, they are 100% identical across the board. I think whatever method they're using to cull out this information is duplicating entries, there are too many of the 100% identical duplicates for any other explanation. If it was one or two companies I could write it off as bad paperwork habits, but every search I do in any city going for any time frame gives me at least 1 of these per page. That's gotta be a bad data procedure on their part. Also if you hilight text you'll find there are invisible characters all over the place, when you include that these become unique entires, I think they have something to do with why these dups are showing up. Now I'm a nice guy so I'll assume sloppy code not deliberate falsification of data, but either way the site isn't presenting an accurate picture.
174 posted on 11/04/2002 5:09:07 PM PST by discostu
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