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Archbishop Says It's Immoral to Vote for Pro-Choice Candidates
EWTN News ^ | October 29, 2002 | EWTN

Posted on 11/01/2002 4:07:40 PM PST by fatguy

DENVER, Oct 29, 02 (CWNews.com) -- In his second blunt message in as many weeks on the responsibilities of Catholic voters, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver has insisted the issue of abortion should provide a clear-cut choice.

"I will vote for no candidate Republican, Democrat or third party -- who is actively 'pro-choice,'" the archbishop wrote in his regular weekly column for Denver's archdiocesan newspaper.

Archbishop Chaput dismissed the argument that abortion is only one among many issues to be considered in an election year. He explained: "abortion is separated from other important social issues like affordable housing by a difference in kind, not a difference in degree. Every abortion kills an unborn human life -- every time. No matter what kind of mental gymnastics we use, elective killing has no excuse. We only implicate ourselves by trying to provide one."

In this respect, the archbishop drew a distinction between the abortion issue and other political questions, on which reasonable people might differ. The difference, he said, is that "every abortion is a grave act of violence."

The archbishop repeated his complaint that proponents of legal abortion are seeking to silence Catholics, and others who are opposed to the practice. "The only way to stop this coercion is to send the right men and women to Congress," he said.

Voters cannot remain neutral on the issue, Archbishop Chaput continued. He reasoned: "No violence is ever private. That includes abortion. What we choose to allow, we choose to own."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholiclist; chaput
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To: fatguy
When Nationwide ex-communications start, this will be for real. It doesn't make to much sense to cleanse Congress witout first cleansing the Church.
121 posted on 11/02/2002 5:47:58 PM PST by ex-snook
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To: End The Hypocrisy
You are just trying to goof on us with those BS poll numbers and "Republican Youth Majority" crapola, right?

Every legimate poll (if there is such a thing) not undertaken by groups that have an expressed purpose of subverting the Republican party's pro-life platform show that the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose abortion on demand. Banning PBA, parental consent laws, waiting periods, mandatory counseling, etc, all have majority support.

As a previous poster noted, rape incest and life of the mother are the only instances in which the majority support legalized abortion. Why don't you drop the facade and admit that your not "as concerned about abortion" as the rest of us and lose the diversionary "pro-lifers won't adopt every unwanted child" nonsense (maybe we can't, according to your buddies at RYM we only make up 30% of the population) and tell us why YOU support unfettered abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion. Thanks.

122 posted on 11/02/2002 6:15:42 PM PST by garv
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To: End The Hypocrisy
That means that according to this bishop, over 4 out of every 5 Americans is evil. Is there something wrong with this picture, perhaps?

You just go along being a good Nazi because all the other Germans agree.

Give me a better arguement than "they all do it".

123 posted on 11/02/2002 6:31:20 PM PST by Doctor Raoul
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To: Dec31,1999
Pataki supposedly is 20 points in the lead. Cast your for for the right reason -- your beliefs and principles -- and if there is no candidate to agree with you -- then vote Pro-Life or write in. I will never compromise on principle again.
124 posted on 11/02/2002 6:31:38 PM PST by victim soul
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To: G Larry
Peace G Larry,

Are you related to a past Idaho Gov.? (J.T. McCLURE)

Not to the best of my knowledge.

Time to switch to the party that supports your values

You want me to switch to Libertarian? 8^)


James R. McClure Jr.
Sir Knight of Columbus

125 posted on 11/02/2002 6:39:12 PM PST by James R. McClure Jr.
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To: G Larry
Peace G Larry,

Are you related to a past Idaho Gov.? (J.T. McCLURE)

Not to the best of my knowledge.

Time to switch to the party that supports your values

You want me to switch to Libertarian? 8^)


James R. McClure Jr.
Sir Knight of Columbus

126 posted on 11/02/2002 6:40:02 PM PST by James R. McClure Jr.
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To: garv
>>>Why don't you drop the facade and admit that your not "as concerned about abortion" as the rest of us and lose the diversionary "pro-lifers won't adopt every unwanted child" nonsense (maybe we can't, according to your buddies at RYM we only make up 30% of the population)<<<


It's 35% of the REPUBLICAN population and close to 0% of the other political parties. That boils down to less than a fifth of the population. If the majority favored stern abortion restrictions like some claim, they'd have been enacted.
127 posted on 11/02/2002 6:44:50 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: sockmonkey; Siobhan
I'll grant that Patrick Flores is no model bishop.

But, you can be sure if the Vatican will not make him a cardinal, they won't make Chaput a cardinal, either.

The Cardinalate is not conferred on "favorite sons."

128 posted on 11/02/2002 7:46:57 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Siobhan
BUMP
129 posted on 11/02/2002 7:49:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Doctor Raoul
>>>You just go along being a good Nazi because all the other Germans agree.<<<


Are you a vegetarian who sponsors no killing whatsoever merely for your own culinary pleasures?
130 posted on 11/02/2002 8:25:24 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: fatguy
It's enough to turn a Baptist into a Catholic....preach it, brother!!!!
131 posted on 11/02/2002 9:16:39 PM PST by cookcounty
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To: End The Hypocrisy
"So 65% of Republicans are evil then, I guess? I mean, according to http://www.rym.org, that's the percentage of Republicans that are pro choice. And nearly all Democrats are. That means that according to this bishop, over 4 out of every 5 Americans is evil. Is there something wrong with this picture, perhaps?"

No, the problem is that 96% of the people that are "pro-choice" cannot give even the rudiments of the pro-life argument, and as often been said, if you can't give your opponent's argument--you don't understand your own. "Evil?," no---intellectually vacant?, absolutely.

The fundamental question is not one of "choice," but of the nature of the child that is killed. Is it a child? Is it human? Does it suffer?

Just once before I die I would like to hear a "pro-choicer" declaim on the subject: "Resolved: That the entities in the womb which are stabbed and bludgeoned until they perish, do not suffer."
I'm not holding my breath. While I've met a lot of smart pro-choicers, I've never met one with enough applied brain wattage to take it on.

Instead, the pro-choicers apply 90% of their grey matter to finding ever more ambiguous vocabulary to describe their position, hoping to lose everyone else (and maybe the grating of their own conscience) in the fog of their sloppy, half-formed language.

My latest favorite in dim-witted abortspeak is "reproductive rights." What in tarnation could that possibly mean? Reproduction means to give rise to another human being, not to mash one in the process. But these dear folk can't bring themselves to call it what it is, namely, the "right" of non-reproduction.

Personally, I'd have more respect for them if they would fess up and plainspokenly state "Since these are our little $hits that are getting in our way, we can squash 'em if we like."

132 posted on 11/02/2002 9:53:25 PM PST by cookcounty
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To: End The Hypocrisy
That criticism is that "Republicans will get you born, but you're on your own after that."

Lincoln could have gotten more votes by supporting slavery too.

133 posted on 11/03/2002 1:29:38 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Dec31,1999
Here in NY, I have a choice between (1)Pataki for Governor, who is a pro-killing Republican, (2)a miserable Dem, who is even more strongly pro-killing along with the other destructive Marxist crap, or (3)someome whose name I don't remember in the Right-to-Life party. It's a quandry.

Not at all. The only moral choice is to vote for the anti-infanticide candidate. If the Dem candidate wins, at least he will preside over the murder of babies without your consent.

Winning elections is not what matters. Doing the right thing in all circumstances is. You can only control your own actions: if the voters of the State of New York want a baby-killer for a governor, that's their problem. Let the blood of the murdered children be on their heads. The majority wanted Barabbas released instead of Jesus, too.

Compromising with evil is still evil, even if the motivation behind it is not. Better to do the right thing and let God's will be done.

134 posted on 11/03/2002 1:51:25 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: AppyPappy
>>>Lincoln could have gotten more votes by supporting slavery too.<<<

Abortion rights activists would perhaps reply:

"[t]hat's right. Lincoln sided against slavery, and politicians favoring abortion rights should similarly side against the enslavement of mothers and fathers, who would otherwise be forced to involuntarily help procreate the species merely for having engaged in one of humanity's oldest forms of pleasure accrual. Similarly, Lincoln's troops fought those from the decreasing quantity of plantations who profited from slavery, and the politicians who embrace abortion rights should fight those religious activists that profitably raise fund$, and increase membership in their particular religious sects by ralling others behind a cause.

I think they would thank you for bringing up the Lincoln example, don't you?
135 posted on 11/03/2002 2:25:24 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: End The Hypocrisy
Garbage partner -- 65% of Republicans are NOT pro-abortion.
Let me try this question on you: Do you support shoving a scissors into the head of an unborn baby inside the womb?
Please forward me your answer. Love to hear it.
136 posted on 11/03/2002 2:31:03 PM PST by sruleoflaw
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To: cookcounty
This sicko little godless, hedonist baby-butcher isn't worth the time. Hopefully, some day he will re-read his posts on this topic - under the light - and see how incredibly self-centered he really is. Can you believe there are people like this in the world today, working in places with you, sitting next to you? Hitler would be proud of their arguments...
137 posted on 11/03/2002 2:36:25 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution; cookcounty
SimianFreeper says: "This sicko little godless, hedonist baby-butcher isn't worth the time. Hopefully, some day he will re-read his posts on this topic - under the light - and see how incredibly self-centered he really is. Can you believe there are people like this in the world today, working in places with you, sitting next to you? Hitler would be proud of their arguments..."

REPLY: There goes that "us and them" mentality that helped us get fewer votes than the Democrats in the 2000 presidential election, and that helped Senator Jim Jeffords find plenty of political cover after betraying Republican Vermont residents months later. I'm sorry to see that some of the fringe element STILL hasn't learned its lesson. RYM.org and its many REPUBLICAN pro-choice allies is sorry, too, but not willing to let you hold the rest of the party back. Campaign finance reform will make it tougher to stray off from mainstream donors, as opposed to soft money donors. Good luck.



138 posted on 11/03/2002 2:51:05 PM PST by End The Hypocrisy
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To: End The Hypocrisy
Who needs 'luck' when you serve the God of the universe?

Pro-abortion Republican is an oxy-moron...

Again, thanks for playing...now, don't have have a perversion to partake in and a baby to see to it that gets murdered?
139 posted on 11/03/2002 2:56:48 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: End The Hypocrisy
So 65% of Republicans are evil then, I guess?

Those that support abortion-on-demand or justify looking the other way as the innocent millions are slaughtered, are--at a minimum--profoundly deluded.

Does it make you uncomfortable to be included among the profoundly deluded? It ought to. Now try to understand why, and do something about it.

140 posted on 11/03/2002 2:57:52 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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