So why not offer single-payer food?

The Washington Times ^ | 10/27/2002 | James Frogue

[El Sordo]

I must admit, I was surprised to see this on the ballot.

It surpassed even the anti-cow bill in terms of blatant stupidity.

[blackie]

Socialism is soooooo great, isn't it...

The RATS Are In Disarray...Eradicate The Rodents !!

Fire Democrats, Hire Republicans !!

GWB Is The Man !!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Let's Roll !!

Molon Labe !!

[EBUCK]

Pretty amazing aint it. I can't imagine that there would be that much support for it. Unless someone is already lined up to handle the whole crap heap....someone with a bunch of money.

EBUCK

[EBUCK]

socialism is great (in my best robot voice)

EBUCK

[blackie]

DeFuzzio is a perfect example of a socialist.

He was criticizing Liz VanLeeuwen because she wanted all Oregonians to have a gun in their house.

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security !!

Stop the attacks on our God given Rights by the extreme wacko left-wing anti-gun-nazis' !!

The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed !!

An Armed Citizen, Is A Safe Citizen !!

Guns Save Lives !!

No Guns, No Rights !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

FMCDH !!

[Salvation]

** Look at Canada where single payer health care has been in effect for nearly 20 years. Among the world's 29 richest countries, Canada consistently ranks above only Mexico, Poland and Turkey in terms of medical technology. Months-long waiting lists for critical services and referrals to specialists are common. Cancer survival rates are well below those in the United States and prescription drugs are rationed.**

Worth noting. Defeat this nonsense!

[Grampa Dave]

Don't you mean that we will be taxed for being politically incorrect!

[Lizavetta]

Hey, what about our fab single-payer schools?

How many single-payer (read taxpayer-funded) failures will it take before the sheeple realize that Nameless Bureaucracies managing Other People's Money to provide "free" stuff is always inefficient, low quality, and f*****g expensive? IT'S NEVER FREE and usually PRETTY CRAPPY!!!!

[Lizavetta]

Remember when the Clinton Administration was considering adding the rental value of a home to ones income for tax purposes?

I remember Rush talking about this...it was called "imputed income".

[balrog666]

balrog beer

[Tailback]

I prefer Deschutes river brewery products myself. Mirror Pond Pale Ale, Black Butte Porter, and Obsidian Stout. Mmmmmm beer.....

[m1911]

tee hee hee.

[Clinging Bitterly]

> Free Health Care, free food, free housing and free transportation will become mantras up there.

Whadd'ya mean will become mantras?

We already have advocates of all this stuff hereabouts, not to mention "living wages", and a good number of people actually are getting all this stuff for free courtesy of the taxpayers. It's a very small step from there to just socializing it all, and like I said there are folks hereabouts that advocate that without shame. Some of them hold elective office.

Dave in Eugene

[fire_eye]

Everywhere I go - and I mean *everywhere* (not that I get around much, but...) I hear people saying that if Measure 23 (the Communist health-care measure) succeeds, they will leave the state. At least one physician I know is already making contingency plans to shut down her practice in Oregon and get out of the state if this happens.

If this passes, the Communists and parasites who are left in the state are going to get a very, very ugly surprise... They may think they're going to get free health care, but there won't be anyone here to pay for it OR to deliver it. All that will be left will be the "consumers".

Small businesses are *already* fleeing the state as a result of fiscal mismanagement and overtaxation, and the state is on the ropes as a result of the bankrupt Public Employees Retirement System which pays employees more if they retire than if they stay on the job. (No, I am not kidding). This latest Marxist "experiment" is just what the bOregonian sNewspaper, which NTS is *not* noted for its conservatism, called it - "a prescription for economic suicide".

But then of course this *is* the state that approved physician-assisted suicide... so I guess voter-assisted suicide should come as no surprise...

This is a beautiful state, and I will hate to leave it, and I don't look forward to moving back into an arctic climate like the one I grew up in, but, sic transit gloria mundi... Montana? Idaho? Wyoming? Alaska?

[Grampa Dave]

We have them in Kali too. Interesting, to me the politicians in Kali are the biggest advocates. In Oregon, often/sometimes it is the free loader who gets the benefits who demands the free lunches, who are the biggest and shrillest advocates.

All three west coast states are in danger of becoming banana republics re bankruptcy without the benefit of bananas growing in the three states.

California is in debt probably 30 to 45 billion $'s. We have about 36 billion $'s in Bond votes this election. It's for the chilrun, you know!

[gridlock]

The only thing that makes single-payer work in Canada is the fact that there is the US "safety valve". If a Canadian can't get care, they can always go South of the border to get care in the US, if they can afford it. If the Canadian Government cannot provide care it is required to provide by law, it contracts with US hospitals to provide the care.

So, if the US gets single-payer, where's our safety valve? Where do we go? Mexico?

The US for-profit health care system is the engine that makes the Canadian system work. It produces the medical innovations and subsidizes the new prescription drugs that the Canadian Government then gives away "for free". But there is no external engine for the US medical system. If the US goes single-payer, the whole system is going to fall apart. We will knock 10 years of the average life expectancy within the first 20 years.

[EBUCK]

EBUCK

[EBUCK]

Everywhere I go - and I mean *everywhere* (not that I get around much, but...) I hear people saying that if Measure 23 (the Communist health-care measure) succeeds, they will leave the state. At least one physician I know is already making contingency plans to shut down her practice in Oregon and get out of the state if this happens. If this passes, the Communists and parasites who are left in the state are going to get a very, very ugly surprise... They may think they're going to get free health care, but there won't be anyone here to pay for it OR to deliver it. All that will be left will be the "consumers".

There will be an exodus, my whole extended family has drawn up plans. No polls on the measure have been taken so I'm not sure where is't at.

Small businesses are *already* fleeing the state as a result of fiscal mismanagement and overtaxation, and the state is on the ropes as a result of the bankrupt Public Employees Retirement System which pays employees more if they retire than if they stay on the job. (No, I am not kidding). This latest Marxist "experiment" is just what the bOregonian sNewspaper, which NTS is *not* noted for its conservatism, called it - "a prescription for economic suicide".

But then of course this *is* the state that approved physician-assisted suicide... so I guess voter-assisted suicide should come as no surprise...

I don't mind assisted suicide, as a matter of fact I voted for it. But that has no bearing on what this this monstrosity will do to the state. It seems that the druids will gat what they wanted, a state devoid of human presence.

This is a beautiful state, and I will hate to leave it, and I don't look forward to moving back into an arctic climate like the one I grew up in, but, sic transit gloria mundi... Montana? Idaho? Wyoming? Alaska?

Yes the glory certainly seems to be fading, and I'm partial to Idaho myself.

EBUCK

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