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The Truth about the USS Liberty
College Voice of Connecticut College | Will be Nov. 1st | Yoni Freeman

Posted on 10/30/2002 3:37:06 PM PST by yonif

The Truth about the USS Liberty By Yoni Freeman

In response to the presentation on Tuesday October 30th 2002 of the documentary “The Loss of Liberty” by the Council for the National Interest Connecticut, it is my duty to present the real facts concerning the Liberty incident.

The first question one should ask is who exactly are these documentary sponsors? Well after researching the organization on their website (http://www.cnionline.org/) I concluded that the Council for the National Interest is nothing more than an anti-Israeli organization which also shows tendencies of being anti-Semitic. Here are some excerpts from different Middle East articles, written by them, on their website:

1) "The State of Israel was founded 54 years ago to provide a "home" for a people who had been rejected, uprooted, tortured, maimed and expelled by Europe. Did any of us living then think that the Jews would do the same to their hosts in the "homeland," and reject, uproot, torture, maim and expel their Palestinian neighbors? Whole Palestinian villages have been destroyed without a trace -- so that those villagers who left them in 1948 would never have a village to return to at a later date. Why does this sound familiar? Victims have become victimizers?" http://rescuemideastpolicy.com/ads/ad_1.html

2) "ISRAEL AND PALESTINE: WHOSE EXISTENCE IS REALLY IN DANGER?" http://rescuemideastpolicy.com/ads/ad_2.html

3) "The State of Israel was founded 54 years ago to provide a “home” for a people who had been rejected, uprooted, tortured, maimed and expelled by Europe. Did anyone think that Jews would do the same to the Palestinian people who were already living there?" "From 1947-1949, Israel rejected, uprooted, tortured, maimed and expelled the Palestinian population. Israel destroyed over 415 Palestinian villages, along with their churches and mosques, so that the Palestinian villagers could not return. Once Jews were victims of these atrocities, but it is clear that the Jewish victims in Israel have become victimizers of the Palestinians." "In 1967, Israel invaded the rest of historical Palestine: the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza. The UN has repeatedly voted that Israel leave the Palestinian land and let the Palestinian people be free. Israel has refused, constantly violating international" "Discrimination and apartheid in Israel are striking. Christians and Muslims are not allowed to rent, buy or lease in 92% of Israel. Israel prohibits Palestinian Christians and Muslims from living in Jewish-only colonies." http://rescuemideastpolicy.com/ads/ad_3.html

4) "We the people of the United States challenge our Congress to confront Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his apartheid policy in the occupied Palestinian territories" http://rescuemideastpolicy.com/ads/ad_4.html Everyone already knows my views concerning Israel so there is really no need for me to bring up counter-points to combat these lies above.

But wait a minute, their website states that their organization is “striving for a balanced Middle East Policy.” Do the excerpts above show this?

As you can see, a biased and anti-Israeli organization presented this video. It was no surprise that an anti-Israeli documentary regarding the USS Liberty was aired, subsequently.

In short, the “documentary” (wrmea.com/archives/march2002/0203104.html),

…dramatically proves, beyond any doubt, that the attack by Israel on June 8, 1967 against the U.S. naval intelligence gathering ship USS Liberty, in which 34 Americans were killed and 171 wounded, was deliberate…

… “Loss of Liberty” makes clear that then-President Lyndon Johnson conspired with Israel and its Israel-First supporters inside the U.S. government to support the “tragic accident” scheme.

In order to understand this issue one must understand the background information regarding this incident. In June 1967, a United States Ship, the Liberty, came too close to the coast of Israel. During those days Israel was in a state of war, warding off attacks of surrounding Arab states who were trying to destroy it. The US ambassador declared in the United Nations that no American ships were in the range of 400 miles from Israel. The National Security Agency, part of the ship’s command, was supposed to give timely orders to the USS Liberty to leave, however, these orders arrived days after the attack.

Eight days later, Israeli Air Force planes and boats attacked the ship, killing 34 and wounding 177. The ship did not sink, and slowly moved crippled to a nearby port. After the incident voices were heard: “Did Israel deliberately attack the USS Liberty?”

Here are the facts: Israel’s understanding was that there were no American ships less than 400 miles off its coast, and as she was at war with Egypt, enemy warships were the only ones thought to be off the coast of Israel. At the time the USS Liberty was bombed, there were explosions on the coast and Israeli command thought it was a naval bombardment from Egypt. It was then that Israel moved to attack what they believed to be an Egyptian ship.

In a bid to attack the ship, Israeli jets were scrambled to the area. The Israeli jets that attacked the Liberty were diverted from other targets, and consequently were armed with napalm rather than iron bombs. In a premeditated and deliberate attack meant to sink a ship, no aviator in the world would choose napalm over iron bombs. In the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor, for example, iron bombs sunk US battleships in minutes, and the Liberty, a converted freighter, was no battleship.

There were ten official US investigations (including five congressional investigations) that concluded there was never any evidence that the attack was made with knowledge that the target was a US ship. Furthermore they concluded that there was substantial evidence the attack was a tragic mistake caused by blunders of both the US and Israel. Seven US presidents, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, and Clinton, have each accepted the conclusion that the attack was a tragic case of mistaken identity. Since the incident the haters of Israel have tried to use this event to try to pull America and Israel apart. This is nonetheless what this Council for the National Interest has tried to do with this presentation. Fortunately this conspiracy theory that this documentary presented on Tuesday at Cummings Center had few takers.

As you can see this documentary didn’t bring forward (1) the fact Israel mistakenly saw this ship as enemy, due to the state of war it was in and bombs shot out from the same area, (2) the US, days earlier, stated there were no ships within 400-miles radius which the Liberty was in, (3) the type of weapon Israel used to attack the ship was napalm, the wrong kind of weapon to use if one wanted to sink the ship(4) there were 10, including 5 congressional investigations, into the incident all concluding that the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel was a tragic mistake.

This incident should serve as a lesson to the Connecticut College administration and related offices in that it should be more vigilant in who it allows to rent its rooms. Making money is ok, but making money off these kinds of organizations is wrong. What’s next? A National Alliance meeting?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: atiredoldrant; bias; israel; liberals; lies; propaganda; usa; ussliberty
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To: yonif
Five Congressional investigations of the attack on the USS Liberty?

Nonsense.

The Congress of the United States has NEVER investigated the attack on the USS Liberty.

I defy you to prove otherwise.

Warmest regards,

Joe Meadors
joe@ussliberty.com
81 posted on 10/31/2002 1:29:46 PM PST by jmeadors
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To: jmeadors
Five Congressional investigations of the attack on the USS Liberty?...Nonsense...The Congress of the United States has NEVER investigated the attack on the USS Liberty...I defy you to prove otherwise.

I appreciate that you and many others don't accept the conclusions, but there are references to and minutes from many of the following on your website.

Investigation Date Conclusion
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 10-18, 1967 The attack was a case of mistaken identity. Calm conditions and slow ship speed may have made American flag difficult to identify. No indication the attack was intended against U.S. ship.
CIA Report June 13, 1967 The attack was not made in malice and was a mistake.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Fact Finding Team (Russ Report) June 9-20, 1967 Outlined "findings of fact," bud did not make any findings about the actual attack.
Clifford Report July 18, 1967 No premeditation, but "inexcusable failures" by Israeli forces constituing "gross negligence."
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations 1967 Secretary of Defense McNamara testified he supported conclusion that the attack was not intentional.
Senate Armed Services Committee Feb. 1, 1968 No conclusion. Secretary McNamara makes comparison of attack on Liberty to that on Pueblo with regard to uncertainty about what was happening at the time of the incident.
House Appropriations Committee April-May 1968 Navy communications "foulup" and no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. Much of report remains classified.
House Armed Services Committee May 10, 1971 Critical of Navy communications, no conclusion regarding Israeli actions.
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979 Responding to critical book by Liberty crewman James Ennes, Senate investigation found no merit to his claim attack was intentional.
National Security Agency 1981 Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors.
House Armed Services Committee June 1991 Responding to request from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support allegations made by the Association and no reason for further investigation.

82 posted on 10/31/2002 1:57:07 PM PST by SJackson
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To: jmeadors
Post 38 lists TWO investigation by Congressional Committees.

Plus at least three others. Sorry, I can't see this as anything more than a tragic mistake.
83 posted on 10/31/2002 1:57:21 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
You might note 82. I left out the four Israeli investigations as irrelevant.
84 posted on 10/31/2002 2:01:51 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Will do.

Yep, nothing more than a tragic mistake or chain of mistakes.

BTW - What were the results of the Israeli investigations?
85 posted on 10/31/2002 2:05:42 PM PST by hchutch
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To: Admiral Kimmel
What? What pal?
I do write for the college newspaper (The College Voice) of Connecticut College. I publish a weekly political column.
86 posted on 10/31/2002 2:19:47 PM PST by yonif
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To: SJackson
Good post.
87 posted on 10/31/2002 2:21:07 PM PST by yonif
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To: SJackson
Good facts.
88 posted on 10/31/2002 2:22:30 PM PST by yonif
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To: Admiral Kimmel
and by the way, I am doing a favor in publishing my articles on this site right when I write them and not after they are published in the paper (the paper comes out every Friday).

I am a college freshman.
89 posted on 10/31/2002 2:23:36 PM PST by yonif
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To: jmeadors
See post 82. I have said it all along. You refused to accept the facts.
90 posted on 10/31/2002 2:24:28 PM PST by yonif
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To: jmeadors
"House Armed Services Committee June 1991

Responding to request from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support allegations made by the Association and no reason for further investigation. "

91 posted on 10/31/2002 2:25:29 PM PST by yonif
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To: hchutch
"Post 38 lists TWO investigation by Congressional Committees.

Plus at least three others. Sorry, I can't see this as anything more than a tragic mistake. "

You are correct in your beliefs.
92 posted on 10/31/2002 2:26:46 PM PST by yonif
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To: hchutch
BTW - What were the results of the Israeli investigations?

Same results. There may have been only three.

93 posted on 10/31/2002 2:33:25 PM PST by SJackson
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To: hchutch
Yes. All have found that the resulting incident was tragic mistake. In line with the US conclusions and furthermore accepted by the US Government.
94 posted on 10/31/2002 2:35:27 PM PST by yonif
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To: yonif
The House Armed Services Committee June 1991 was as a result of a meeting with Cong. Nick Mavroules by a delegation from the USS Liberty Veterans Association.

The Committee did not conduct an investigation of the attack.

All they did is review the USNavy Court of Inquiry Report.

Nice try but no cigar.

The ball's back in your court.

Warmest regards,

Joe Meadors
joe@ussliberty.com
95 posted on 10/31/2002 2:49:30 PM PST by jmeadors
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To: yonif
I read post 82 and am very familiar with all of the reports to which you refer.

It is a list that is routinely posted as a result of a request to provide proof that the US Congress investigated the attack on the USS Liberty.

Unfortunately none of the reports listed is as a result of a complete and comprehensive public Congressional investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty.

I'm curious to know if you have had occasion to read all of the reports referred to in post 82 or are you simply trusting in the botched research and claims of others.

Warmest regards,

Joe Meadors
joe@ussliberty.com
96 posted on 10/31/2002 2:55:38 PM PST by jmeadors
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To: green team 1999
Where is the large American Flag?
97 posted on 10/31/2002 2:55:40 PM PST by rmlew
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To: home educate
Of course Israel attacked the USS Liberty. The disinformation that it was done on purpose to prevent the US from exposing war crimes or some such.

For all of these exposes, why has no one looked into the failure of the US government to inform Israel of the position of the Liberty in the exclusion zone? Why did the US refuse to have a US Naval liason, which would have prevented the incident? It seems to me that heads should have rolled.
98 posted on 10/31/2002 2:59:19 PM PST by rmlew
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To: green team 1999
Everything but 1000 pound armour piercing bombs.
99 posted on 10/31/2002 3:00:10 PM PST by rmlew
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To: quietolong
Tghe Japanese deliberately attacked the Panay because they were hostile to the US.
You insination that Israel did the same was ridiculous. Is the US hostile to Canada, when we killed 4 canadian soldiers this fall?
Did American planes go hunting for French an dBritish armor in Desert Storm?
No, the reality is that mistakes happen in war, especially when ships are 400 miles from where they should be and in a war zone!
100 posted on 10/31/2002 3:03:11 PM PST by rmlew
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