[El Sordo]

"If the universe, something which is not in and of itself intelligent, required an intelligent creator, wouldn't something that is intelligent need a creator as well?"

Silence!!

You are not supposed to ask that!!

[aruanan]

"If the universe, something which is not in and of itself intelligent, required an intelligent creator, wouldn't something that is intelligent need a creator as well?"

Silence!!

You are not supposed to ask that!!

Aren't you guys a little too old to be splashing down there at the kiddie end of the theological/philosophical pool?

[Ready2go]

Rom 1:19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively; God has put this knowledge in their hearts.

Rom 1:20 Since earliest times men have seen the earth and sky and all God made, and have known of his existence and great eternal power. So they will have no excuse (when they stand before God at Judgment Day).

Rom 1:21 Yes, they knew about him all right, but they wouldn't admit it or worship him or even thank him for all his daily care. And after awhile they began to think up silly ideas of what God was like and what he wanted them to do. The result was that their foolish minds became dark and confused.

Rom 1:22 Claiming themselves to be wise without God, they became utter fools instead.

Rom 1:23 And then, instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they took wood and stone and made idols for themselves, carving them to look like mere birds and animals and snakes and puny men.

Rom 1:24 So God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to--yes, vile and sinful things with each other's bodies.

Rom 1:25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn't obey the blessed God who made these things.

Rom 1:26 That is why God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God's natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other.

Rom 1:27 And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved.

Rom 1:28 So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of.

Rom 1:29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness and sin, of greed and hate, envy, murder, fighting, lying, bitterness, and gossip.

Rom 1:30 They were backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, always thinking of new ways of sinning and continually being disobedient to their parents.

Rom 1:31 They tried to misunderstand, broke their promises, and were heartless--without pity.

Rom 1:32 They were fully aware of God's death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.

Rom 2:1 "Well," you may be saying, "what terrible people you have been talking about!" But wait a minute! You are just as bad. When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are talking about yourselves, for you do these very same things.

Rom 2:2 And we know that God, in justice, will punish anyone who does such things as these.

Rom 2:3 Do you think that God will judge and condemn others for doing them and overlook you when you do them, too?

Rom 2:4 Don't you realize how patient he is being with you? Or don't you care? Can't you see that he has been waiting all this time without punishing you, to give you time to turn from your sin? His kindness is meant to lead you to repentance.

Rom 2:5 But no, you won't listen; and so you are saving up terrible punishment for yourselves because of your stubbornness in refusing to turn from your sin; for there is going to come a day of wrath when God will be the just Judge of all the world.

Rom 2:6 He will give each one whatever his deeds deserve.

Rom 2:7 He will give eternal life to those who patiently do the will of God, seeking for the unseen glory and honor and eternal life that he offers.

Rom 2:8 But he will terribly punish those who fight against the truth of God and walk in evil ways--God's anger will be poured out upon them.

Rom 2:9 There will be sorrow and suffering for Jews and Gentiles alike who keep on sinning.

Rom 2:10 But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who obey him, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

Rom 2:11 For God treats everyone the same.

Rom 2:12 He will punish sin wherever it is found. He will punish the heathen when they sin, even though they never had God's written laws, for down in their hearts they know right from wrong.

Rom 2:13 God's laws are written within them; their own conscience accuses them, or sometimes excuses them.

Rom 2:14 And God will punish the Jews for sinning because they have his written laws but don't obey them.

Rom 2:15 They know what is right but don't do it. After all, salvation is not given to those who know what to do, unless they do it.

Rom 2:16 The day will surely come when at God's command Jesus Christ will judge the secret lives of everyone, their inmost thoughts and motives; this is all part of God's great plan, which I proclaim.

[Ready2go]

Rom 1:19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively; God has put this knowledge in their hearts.

Rom 1:20 Since earliest times men have seen the earth and sky and all God made, and have known of his existence and great eternal power. So they will have no excuse (when they stand before God at Judgment Day).

Rom 1:21 Yes, they knew about him all right, but they wouldn't admit it or worship him or even thank him for all his daily care. And after awhile they began to think up silly ideas of what God was like and what he wanted them to do. The result was that their foolish minds became dark and confused.

Rom 1:22 Claiming themselves to be wise without God, they became utter fools instead.

Rom 1:23 And then, instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they took wood and stone and made idols for themselves, carving them to look like mere birds and animals and snakes and puny men.

Rom 1:24 So God let them go ahead into every sort of sex sin, and do whatever they wanted to--yes, vile and sinful things with each other's bodies.

Rom 1:25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they prayed to the things God made, but wouldn't obey the blessed God who made these things.

Rom 1:26 That is why God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God's natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other.

Rom 1:27 And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved.

Rom 1:28 So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of.

Rom 1:29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness and sin, of greed and hate, envy, murder, fighting, lying, bitterness, and gossip.

Rom 1:30 They were backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, always thinking of new ways of sinning and continually being disobedient to their parents.

Rom 1:31 They tried to misunderstand, broke their promises, and were heartless--without pity.

Rom 1:32 They were fully aware of God's death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.

Rom 2:1 "Well," you may be saying, "what terrible people you have been talking about!" But wait a minute! You are just as bad. When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are talking about yourselves, for you do these very same things.

Rom 2:2 And we know that God, in justice, will punish anyone who does such things as these.

Rom 2:3 Do you think that God will judge and condemn others for doing them and overlook you when you do them, too?

Rom 2:4 Don't you realize how patient he is being with you? Or don't you care? Can't you see that he has been waiting all this time without punishing you, to give you time to turn from your sin? His kindness is meant to lead you to repentance.

Rom 2:5 But no, you won't listen; and so you are saving up terrible punishment for yourselves because of your stubbornness in refusing to turn from your sin; for there is going to come a day of wrath when God will be the just Judge of all the world.

Rom 2:6 He will give each one whatever his deeds deserve.

Rom 2:7 He will give eternal life to those who patiently do the will of God, seeking for the unseen glory and honor and eternal life that he offers.

Rom 2:8 But he will terribly punish those who fight against the truth of God and walk in evil ways--God's anger will be poured out upon them.

Rom 2:9 There will be sorrow and suffering for Jews and Gentiles alike who keep on sinning.

Rom 2:10 But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all who obey him, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

Rom 2:11 For God treats everyone the same.

Rom 2:12 He will punish sin wherever it is found. He will punish the heathen when they sin, even though they never had God's written laws, for down in their hearts they know right from wrong.

Rom 2:13 God's laws are written within them; their own conscience accuses them, or sometimes excuses them.

Rom 2:14 And God will punish the Jews for sinning because they have his written laws but don't obey them.

Rom 2:15 They know what is right but don't do it. After all, salvation is not given to those who know what to do, unless they do it.

Rom 2:16 The day will surely come when at God's command Jesus Christ will judge the secret lives of everyone, their inmost thoughts and motives; this is all part of God's great plan, which I proclaim.

[itsahoot]

Silence!!

You are not supposed to ask that!!

Makes much more sence that, first there was nothing,
then there was this "Big Bang"