[GirlNextDoor]

Thanks for the ping.

However, without diverting the thread from your well-written post, I disagree with your premise.

I believe the patriarchal system was established by God, the ultimate patriarch.

It was established for the benefit of the man, the woman, the child, and society. It is the only system that will serve the best for each seperately and as a whole.

Unfortunately, as with most sytems, it has been distorted from it's original purpose, taken out of context, and is failing (actually dying) today. Not due to any lack in the system itself, but to the failure of utilizing it properly.

[RobRoy]

You, me and RobroysWoman are on the same page on this issue.

On a related note:

Two desirable things are freedom and security. You must often give up some of one to aquire more of the other. Men value freedom more than security. Women are exactly the opposite.

Put another way, men WANT the freedom to be responsible for the well being and growth of their family. Women WANT the security offered by having a man there who steps up to the challenge of being responsible for the well being and growth of the family.

Our culture has short circuited that relationship.

We gave women the vote (freedom and responsibility to choose leaders) and ended up with a government which offers more and more "perceived security" while taking away more and more freedoms.

But I digress...

[SauronOfMordor]

I believe the patriarchal system was established by God, the ultimate patriarch. It was established for the benefit of the man, the woman, the child, and society. It is the only system that will serve the best for each seperately and as a whole.

I don't argue with you, though I'm an agnostic. A system will work well, to the benefit of all concerned, when duties and privileges are balanced.

Traditionally, the male had the official privileges of control. He also had the duty to be expendable, to work far from home, if necessary, and as many hours as needed in order to provide for his wife and family. He had the duty to die, if necessary, in order to protect his family and the property that was needed to provide for them. Seems like a balance to me, with maybe the women getting the better of the deal.

[weikel]

Im a deist rationalist but I agree nature, god, biology, evolution whatever you want to call it decreed the system thus feminism stands in rebellion against reality.

[Mark17]

I believe the patriarchal system was established by God, the ultimate patriarch.

Amen sister. The Apostle Paul said husbands, love your wives, and wives respect your husbands. Does this mena the man or woman should lord it over their partner? Absolutely not, but I think there is precious little love and respect these days. It just goes to show you, that when people get off the path that God set up, they ultimately screw it up, and with some exceptions, this is what we see in today's society. This is sooooo slow, I am outta here till it works better.