Civilians patrol border (Arizona)

The Tucson Citizen ^ | Oct. 28, 2002 | SUSAN CARROLL

[madfly]

A satellite cell phone in one hand and a global-positioning satellite unit in the other, Glenn Spencer of the American Border Patrol poses at the group's headquarters in Sierra Vista. In the background is an antenna that connects headquarters to the Internet.

[flamefront]

Glenn Spencer on Putnam's radio show just mentioned that the story on sniper Malvo's INS violations was first leaked to him by Border Patrol agents who recognised AMERICANPATROL as the largest website addressing the immigration violations against this country. Spencer then emailed an array of people about it wherein the story then became national news.

FreeRepublic denies itself a significant patriotic ally if it continues to consider AMERICANPATROL inappropriate.

[Spiff]

Sorry, the Republican Partu outbid the Libertarians this year. You know how it is, money talks, b/s walks.

So, you'll come in here to spank tinfoil hat nuts like Archy, but you won't address some long-time FReepers legitimate concerns and questions?

Please - what is your specific beef with American Patrol? Why ban all American Patrol-sourced posts and not just those (rare or non-existant) posts with an American Patrol source that might be racist? Please help us understand this policy.

[justshe]

***It looks like the moderators and Jim Rob are payed off by the narcotics smugglers. Accordingly, I don't guess they'll be needing cash donations from FReepers anymore.***

First it was the GOP....now it's the drug smugglers?

Boy, that Jim Robinson--he gets AROUND! /sarcasm off

Think about what you post....if this were true there would BE NO FREEPATHONS. How silly. And you didn't follow good manners by referring to someone in your post without pinging that person. I have corrected that problem for you by pinging JR.

[justshe]

Hear hear, dirtboy!

"...the movement of this country away from assimilation..."

Heck, it isn't even a 'movement'.....it's the law. Diversity (what a buzz-word). I may start a movement against 4-syllable words.....the HECK with 4-letter words. Sigh.

[archy]

Don't make up your mind too quickly, nor on the basis of a few desparate events...unless you see them, as some do, as the beginning of a disturbing trend hereabouts.

But with a stated number of 90,000 posters and a operating budget of $260,000 annually, that works out to around $3 per head...IF everyone was inclined to or able to so donate.

Obviously, some feel they cannot, or should not.

-archy-/-

[Joe Hadenuf]

It's becoming rather obvious that you would make a concerted effort to not see any racist material, even if it was shoved in your face.

Why? Because I told you I had never seen any of that on the American Patrol? I just asked you to show me these racist articles that you say is on the American Patrol.....Again, I have not seen anything like that there....

[Joe Hadenuf]

Glenn Spencer on Putnam's radio show just mentioned that the story on sniper Malvo's INS violations was first leaked to him by Border Patrol agents who recognised AMERICANPATROL as the largest website addressing the immigration violations against this country. Spencer then emailed an array of people about it wherein the story then became national news.

Did you notice how little coverage on the media, that one of the snipers was actually an illegal alien? I find this totally disturbing.....Even on this site, LOL! There were those that actually downplayed the younger snipers role in these brutal murders.....Stunning! Absolutely stunning!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Please - what is your specific beef with American Patrol? Why ban all American Patrol-sourced posts and not just those (rare or non-existant) posts with an American Patrol source that might be racist? Please help us understand this policy.

Uh, I guess this didn't rate a response.

[F16Fighter]

"Look at the Republican party themselves. All standing in stone cold silence as this crisis continues....

Does anyone even give a damn?...A government that does not or will not, protect it's sovereignty and borders, will eventually become illegitimate...."

The evidence strongly suggests the fix is in Joe....

Despite an occassional bone thrown by Dubya and the GOP in the general direction of its major constituency -- Constitutionalists and Conservatives -- it appears it is the dark lords of the 'New World Order' who now call ALL the shots from now on in.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Agree.........

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

If I told you guys once, I told you a thousand times: DO NOT TAP ON THE GLASS. LOL

[Marine Inspector]

I remember it well. JimRob stated the immigration was a non-issue.

[HoweverComma]

Why? Because I told you I had never seen any of that on the American Patrol?

No, because you have consistently acted like a Democrat.

You ignore the real questions raised--namely, is Spencer a man who is serious about illegal immigration and just can't keep from hanging around with white supremacists, or is he just another hustler looking to play all ends for every dime he can milk out of them?

Glenn's made his bed. He gets to lie in it. And I think he's just another guy who sees a problem, and decides that he's got an opportunity to make a living off of it. And that means the LAST thing Glenn wants--his personal protestations be damned, because talk is cheap unless you're hiring a lawyer--is for that problem to ever get solved. Closing the border would be a financial disaster for American Patrol.

You get known by the company you choose to keep. Glenn's made his choices. He's a smart man. I don't doubt for a second that he doesn't know what the people he chooses to associate with are up to.

[Joe Hadenuf]

No, because you have consistently acted like a Democrat.

Go away before I unload on you...

[Spiff]

You ignore the real questions raised--namely, is Spencer a man who is serious about illegal immigration and just can't keep from hanging around with white supremacists, or is he just another hustler looking to play all ends for every dime he can milk out of them? Glenn's made his bed. He gets to lie in it. And I think he's just another guy who sees a problem, and decides that he's got an opportunity to make a living off of it. And that means the LAST thing Glenn wants--his personal protestations be damned, because talk is cheap unless you're hiring a lawyer--is for that problem to ever get solved. Closing the border would be a financial disaster for American Patrol. You get known by the company you choose to keep. Glenn's made his choices. He's a smart man. I don't doubt for a second that he doesn't know what the people he chooses to associate with are up to.

Your smears are not working. You and dirtbag haven't backed up your innuendo and accusations of some vague association with anything solid. Yet, you still carry on as if you'd proven your point - which you clearly have not.

Now you're further smearing Spencer with a bunch of garbage about his monetary motivation or some such crap. You have no evidence that Spencer is doing this all for money - it is simply some wildass theory you pulled out of your butt in order to further slander Spencer and American Patrol.

You are making baseless accusations against a good man who is doing a good thing despite the smears from idiots like you.

[HoweverComma]

Go away before I unload on you...

And yet another change of subject from Joe Hadenuf...

[Spiff]

And yet another breaking of wind by HungoverComa...

Joe can "change the subject" all he wants. He doesn't have to disprove your retarded accusations against Spencer. You made them, you prove them. Until then we can talk about whatever we want here. In fact, it is YOU and dirtbag who have changed the subject here.

By the way, do you and dirtbag work for Morris Dees and the Southern Pimping Law Center? Dees and his scam accomplices are the ones doing most of the attacking against Spencer. Man, talk about a scam simply to make a lot of money - go check out Dees and the SPLC.

[HoweverComma]

Look, it's been documented (even if you don't like the source) that Spencer has shown up at events attended or sponsored by Carto. I remember when his conspiracy wingnut showed up on his radio show. Before then, I thought the man was a sincere activist--after a twenty-minute monologue from his guest about how this abortion of an immigration policy Icame about via a Jewish conspiracy, I began raising the WTF flag.

The next week, his radio show was gone--apparently the management of the station decided that Mr. Spencer was off of the reservation.

I'm serious about securing the borders. I think we need to put troops on the border--as many as we need to shut down illegal immigration and smuggling. If we don't have enough troops to man the borders AND hunt down the terrorists overseas, I think we should bring back the draft. I think we should shut down H1B visas. I think that we should sharply restrict all visas in general--permanent resident, business and student, you name it. I think that business owners who wink at obviously false paperwork should get to do 20 years' worth of gravel-making, and that they should lose every thin dime they have.

But there's a very big community of vested interests that oppose this, and they will use any means available to shut this down. And when those who publicly advocate immigration reform hang out with Willis Carto and company, that just amounts to loading the rifle, handing it to the enemy, and then holding a bullseye over your chest.

I'm very PO'd that Glenn makes it easy for people to brand him (and anyone else who wants illegal immigration stopped) a racist. He isn't stupid. He just either doesn't give a damn if his efforts succeed or not, or he DOESN'T want to succeed. And having seen too many groups on the left that oppose any effort that might actually solve a problem and cut off the fund-raising gravy-train, I get really suspicious.