Posted on 10/28/2002 5:39:36 AM PST by madfly
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:37:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A satellite cell phone in one hand and a global-positioning satellite unit in the other, Glenn Spencer of the American Border Patrol poses at the group's headquarters in Sierra Vista. In the background is an antenna that connects headquarters to the Internet.
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There has been speculation as to who so ordered that those topics be censored here, and as to the means by which it was done.
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I can only venture a guess, that they are not allowed for the same reason that Sam Francis is not allowed here, because of his occasional foray into somewhat bigoted commentary. The anti-immigration posters on FR, when they engage in reasoned debate, have shifted my personal opinion on the matter. But unfortunately there are a few folks involved in anti-immigration matters who also engage in anti-Mexican bigotry, such as the claims that they are inferior, that they could never assimilate (the same claims made against Southern Europeans a century ago, or Germans, for that matter, two centuries ago). That is where I draw the line. The problem is not inherent in the Mexicans who come here - it is from the sheer numbers, the illegal manner in which they come here, the movement of this country away from assimilation, and the welfare state that is a problem not just with immigrants but also with existing citizens.
Knock it off. You're full of crap and you're trying to hijack some legitimate complaints with your tinfoil hat slander.
I think the poster was just joking and used that as a way to get his message across.
Even though this was not posted to me, I feel compelled to say something.
There are fringe elements all over this forum that call for the annihilation of all Muslims and all those that believe in Islam etc etc.....There are fringe elements in all groups. That's just the way it is. What does one do? Ban or censor everything? Should other sites ban anything regarding the Free Republic because of differing opinions or fringe thoughts
Just to clear things up a little, about six months ago, Jim Robinson told me himself, "Immigration is no big concern of mine". That's right, the illegal alien crises, the invasion of millions of criminals, and the destruction of our sovereignty is not a big deal, according to Jim.
My big question is, why would the American Patrol article's be banned or censored on this forum? I thought this was a joke at first.
This is one of the very few, well known sites on the internet that address this ever escalating crises! That site is also hated by liberals, communist, socialist, globalist, the open borders crowd and most other America haters.
I think the poster is a tin-foil idiot, but that's a separate issue.
Even though this was not posted to me, I feel compelled to say something. There are fringe elements all over this forum that call for the annihilation of all Muslims and all those that believe in Islam etc etc.....There are fringe elements in all groups. That's just the way it is. What does one do? Ban or censor everything? Should other sites ban anything regarding the Free Republic because of differing opinions or fringe thoughts.
Folks who call for the annihilation of all Muslims get their posts yanked. You are more concerned with freedom of speech - but there is another fundamental Constitutional right, namely freedom of association, that is at play here - the same right that SCOTUS cited to allow the Boy Scouts to deny gays membership. Likewise, JimRob does not want to associate with bigotry and violence posts - so he boots them from the forum, and, if the posters persist, they get drop-kicked as well. They are perfectly free to go find somewhere else on the web to promote their views, just as gays are perfectly free to start their own scouting club.
Just to clear things up a little, about six months ago, Jim Robinson told me himself, "Immigration is no big concern of mine". That's right, the illegal alien crises, the invasion of millions of criminals, and the destruction of our sovereignty is not a big deal, according to Jim.
But there are articles posted on FR every day about the topic, and there is plenty of robust debate to go with them. We all have our own perceptions of what matters, but JimRob is hardly prohibiting debate on immigration matters at FR.
My big question is, why would the American Patrol article's be banned or censored on this forum? I thought this was a joke at first. This is one of the very few, well known sites on the internet that address this ever escalating crises! That site is also hated by liberals, communist, socialist, globalist, the open borders crowd and most other America haters.
And they also get the occasional commentary about how inferior Mexicans are - that's the problem, and that's why their articles are not allowed here. If you want them to be allowed on FR, instead of complaining to JimRob, maybe you could approach American Patrol and ask them to curtail such articles.
Of course there are always those on the fringe. Again, there are fringe elements all over this forum that call for the annihilation of all Muslims and all those that believe in Islam etc etc.....There are fringe elements in all groups. That's just the way it is. What does one do? Ban or censor everything? Should other sites ban anything regarding the Free Republic because of differing opinions or fringe thoughts?
I find it extremely questionable that the American Patrol articles are banned on the Free Republic. To be clear, Jim can do what he likes, it's his deal etc. But I still find it very, very odd, that one of the very few sites on the internet, that has the guts to speak out, is banned on the Free Republic, as the rest of our so-called leaders stand in stone silence in the face of this ever escalating invasion of millions........
I am fairly certain that it is not because of AP's stance on immigration, but instead because of the occasional foray of some of the articles into low-grade anti-Mexican bigotry (they'll never assimilate, they're not European, etc.) - I'll check the site out later and see if I can find anything to support or disprove that, post it and we can debate it further. Fair enough?
Funny, I have visted the AP many times in the past, and never saw a commentary about how inferior Mexicans are. Never, not once. Maybe I missed missed it? Do you recall the name of the article?
Like I said, I'll go dig some stuff up later tonight, I've freeped past my lunch break and need to get back to work. I invite others on both sides of this particular issue to make your respective cases as well.
LOL! Many people that live in or near highly concentrated illegal areas, believe that. LOL! You have people that have been here for 30 years that don't speak English, or just a few words. What is one is one to think? These are based on observations of many, not low grade Mexican bigotry.
Why are we all becoming so damn POLITICALLY CORRECT?
Look how much bigotry there is now surrounding this Muslim thing! LOL! It's everywhere. What do we do? Not discuss the war or ban or censor all the issues surrounding the whole Muslim issue?
There seems to be a double standard.
As a result, Mr. Spencer now has a tendency to get up with fleas.
You do get judged by the company you keep, and Mr. Robinson seems to have decided that Mr. Spencer is keeping company with some questionable folks.
Once again, the problem is not with Mexicans per se, but instead are because of the changes to this country. We had people looking at all the Italians getting off the boat a century ago muttering that they would never assimilate. They did. But there also was not a welfare state, nor bilingual education, nor liberalism in its modern, virulent form. So don't blame the Mexicans for that - American citizens created that structure. If illegal immigration were stopped, and immigration brought to a controllable level, and assimilation restored as the goal of this country, things would change.
And there is a fair amount of bigotry towards hispanics still - and that is also a factor that tends to push them into their own barrios. Don't believe me? Ask my wife - fourth-generation American of Mexican heritage. She still encounters bigotry. Oh, and she's also against illegal immigration, and is a solid conservative. If elements of the anti-immigration movement would quit condemning Mexicans and instead concentrate on the structural problems in this country that encourage both illegal immigration and separatism, then they would gain much more sympathy and clout.
Well hells bells, LOL! After reading about how many sick twisted child molesters and pedophiles are in religious circles, nothing surprises me about those folks.
So Spencer knew someone that ran the spotlight? If he was such good buddies with that guy, why didn't he hire him when his business went belly up? That paper is long dead!
Look, the fact of the matter is, you can't have a public talk radio show, TV show or a popular website without attracting, interviewing, or dealing with people with fringe ideas. It's part of dealing with the public. Especially politically sensitive issues!
What I think is absolutely extreme is banning or totally censoring those with different ideas or thoughts. Most people are smart enough to see the difference, and shouldn't be required to wear a blindfold.
Just my opinion..........
Nice try at deflecting from the core issue.
Look, the fact of the matter is, you can't have a public talk radio show, TV show or a popular website without attracting, interviewing, or dealing with people with fringe ideas. It's part of dealing with the public. Especially politically sensitive issues!
Rush seems to have done just fine without having visitors from Spotlight on his show.
What I think is absolutely extreme is banning or totally censoring those with different ideas or thoughts. Most people are smart enough to see the difference, and shouldn't be required to wear a blindfold.
What I think is extreme is that you think JimRob should associate with folks he doesn't want around, all in the name of freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is just one of many rights - and, last I checked, JimRob was not calling for American Patrol to be forcibly knocked off the internet. He just did not want to be associated with them, just as he doesn't care to associate with liberals. And that is just as fundamental a right as freedom of speech.
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