Posted on 10/26/2002 1:55:34 PM PDT by spetznaz
See following account, particularly regarding tests of Novochok-33 in low doses, and various interesting effects, including reported IMPROVED marksmanship ability with small arms, in some instances. But I suspect the *sleeping* it causes is of the permanent variety, as per the effects noted in the photos of the dead terrorists without visible bullet wounds, who had nevertheless evacuated their bowels and bladders [per stained carpets beneath them] upon exposure to the *sleep gas.*
We'll see; look for numbers of the gassed hostages who become casualties soar into the 150+ range over the next week. But I bet the bargaining of supplies of 2-PAM or Atropine for the captured terrorists makes for an interesting bargaining chip during their interrogations, particularly as they watch others so exposed expire.
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Btw there was a chechen on a chechen board who also predicted correctly. She said, the day before it happened -
"It will end this way. British and American special forces will render anyone inside the building unconscious. Then Russian forces will move in and shoot every raider to death.."
There is a rare deficiency among some people to produce cholinesterase, enough at least, to recover from surgery, in which the inhibitors are used to paralyze the patient. I have seen the terror in the eyes of those who could not move and were fully aware, although breathing was being done for them. Thankfully fresh frozen plasma is a quick solution.
It is my hope that much fresh frozen plasma was on-hand for the hostages, if indeed a cholinesterase inhibitor was used. It could explain the numerous requests for help in the Russian media before the rescue operation - they were gathering and stocking plasma.
Yep, *Molniya,* dissolving gas masks and human skin, among other things. But it's not a derivitive of nitrogen mustard, and is odorless and tasteless, as are most nerve agents.
Well, depends on method of ingestion [skin contact absorption or inhalation/ingestion] and dosage. But see the MSDS *here* for effects from US nerve agent VX: [at addendum *A*]which may have similar results, if differing chemically from Russian chemical agents.
*Exposure to high concentrations of nerve agent may bring on incoordination, mental confusion and collapse so rapidly that the casualty cannot perform self-aid. If this happens, the mabn nearest to him will give first aid.*
Effect of Russian agent, delivered via unknown means, into enclosed area, particularly affecting those near doorways and in open areas [thereby less diluted by being spread among several individuals] might be very different. But note also MSDS comments regarding repeated dosages to those afflicted. Not a problem for recovering hostages...but captured terrorists may have such a problem. And training videos made of such things would be nice morale boosters.
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The chemical warfare agent 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate (QNB, BZ) is an anticholinergic agent that affects both the peripheral and central nervous systems (CNS). It is one of the most potent anticholinergic psychomimetics known, with only small doses necessary to produce incapacitation. It is classified as a hallucinogenic chemical warfare agent. QNB usually is disseminated as an aerosol, and the primary route of absorption is through the respiratory system. Absorption also can occur through the skin or gastrointestinal tract. It is odorless. QNB's pharmacologic activity is similar to other anticholinergic drugs (eg, atropine) but with a much longer duration of action.
Yes. Likewise HI-6 or 2PAM, as used for treatment of those exposed to organophosphorous insecticides in agricultural and industrial accidental overexposures. The U.S. military first-aid response is atropine, usually from spring-loaded hypodermic auto-injectors.
But that's also a good reason for the large numbers of troops in the area, already blood-group typed and ready for donations, should one of the hostages with a less common blood group require serological replenishment. Such treatment usually requires several weeks to several months duration, assuming, as in this case, no further exposure to the agent. ChemWar traetment may have been immediately available for all concerned [would help explain reported hypodermic marks on the dead terrorists] with transport to advanced treatment being carried out immediately upon rescue. Good chance for high numbers of recoveries of those minimally dosed, but also unfortunate liklihood that many of the seriously affected will not pull through.
You wish to go inside and film the action? And interview the *freedom fighters?* Why certainly, Mr/Ms leftist *journalist*- go right on in ahead!
Kerchoo! [Followed by blurred eyes and runny nose...then, other things!]
Vasilyev, the deputy interior minister, said none of the 67 initial victims died from gas poisoning.
He said nine died because of heart problems, shock or lack of medicine. At the same time, doctors at City Hospital No. 13, where more than 320 freed hostages were taken, said none of those hospitalized had gunshot wounds, Moscow's TVS television reported.That sound consistant with BZ/ QNB usage to you? I'm not very familiar with it. If hallucinations were a byproduct result, treatment for seeming psychological symptoms might be ongoing, understandably.
The Spetznaz guys came in and killed the terrorists...great big pink bunnyrabbit Spetznaz razvedki guys with GREAT BIG teeth, and claws....
It was reported that one of the Chechen terrorists WAS wearing a gas mask!
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