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To: seeker41
Novichok - recently developed choline sterase inhibitor (U.S.S.R.). May affect human genes and thus damage could be transmitted to offspring.

NOWHERE CAN I FIND INFORMATION THAT THIS AGENT CAUSES SLEEPING.

See following account, particularly regarding tests of Novochok-33 in low doses, and various interesting effects, including reported IMPROVED marksmanship ability with small arms, in some instances. But I suspect the *sleeping* it causes is of the permanent variety, as per the effects noted in the photos of the dead terrorists without visible bullet wounds, who had nevertheless evacuated their bowels and bladders [per stained carpets beneath them] upon exposure to the *sleep gas.*

We'll see; look for numbers of the gassed hostages who become casualties soar into the 150+ range over the next week. But I bet the bargaining of supplies of 2-PAM or Atropine for the captured terrorists makes for an interesting bargaining chip during their interrogations, particularly as they watch others so exposed expire.

-archy-/-

21 posted on 10/26/2002 2:50:40 PM PDT by archy
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To: Hank Kerchief
a novel ping to you!

Btw there was a chechen on a chechen board who also predicted correctly. She said, the day before it happened -
"It will end this way. British and American special forces will render anyone inside the building unconscious. Then Russian forces will move in and shoot every raider to death.."

24 posted on 10/26/2002 2:53:02 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: archy
Your point about the speed needed is a good one. Cholinesterase inhibitors decrease breathing function and movement of skeletal muscle. They are particularly cruel, however, in that mental awareness is clear and unchanged. They simply don't allow muscles to work. Mental changes are from the lack of oxygen when the chest cannot rise and breathe.

There is a rare deficiency among some people to produce cholinesterase, enough at least, to recover from surgery, in which the inhibitors are used to paralyze the patient. I have seen the terror in the eyes of those who could not move and were fully aware, although breathing was being done for them. Thankfully fresh frozen plasma is a quick solution.

It is my hope that much fresh frozen plasma was on-hand for the hostages, if indeed a cholinesterase inhibitor was used. It could explain the numerous requests for help in the Russian media before the rescue operation - they were gathering and stocking plasma.

25 posted on 10/26/2002 3:02:41 PM PDT by MarMema
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