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SOLZHENITSYN'S ADDRESS TO HARVARD: A World Split Apart (must-read ringing defense of conservatism)
UCLA ^ | Circa 1978

Posted on 10/26/2002 9:03:38 AM PDT by Liz

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To: Mad Dawg
To: f.Christian

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule for the assurance technocracy and expert rule.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic

and...

To: f.Christian

Dakmar...

I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.

fC...

These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Dakmar...

Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.

God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.

452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar


21 posted on 10/26/2002 2:23:50 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Liz
I must thank you and compliment you for such a thought-provoking post. I first read Solzhenitsyn's speech eleven years ago while in high school. There is a tremendous new book in print that pays fitting complement to Solzhenitsyn's insights about the adult world (of the West)called The Underground History of American Schooling by John Taylor Gatto, which traces how mass compulsion schooling inculcates children in the atomistic, self-centered materialism Solzhenitsyn decries. Gatto explains the circumstances and the practice of schooling which together constitute this training, and traces school's evolution in the hands of ideological and economic interests that sought to refashion America as a land of predictable, homogeneous workingmen denuded of those loyalties which could potetially threaten the corporate-state oligarchy that now dominates -- a top-down social model frightfully similar to the Big Lie Solzhenitsyn was kicked out of in 1974!
22 posted on 10/26/2002 5:08:13 PM PDT by Mmmike
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To: Liz
bttt
23 posted on 10/27/2002 9:46:01 AM PST by summer
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To: Liz
Thanks for posting this. I'm currently reading Gulag Archipelago, Book I. Already I consider it among the 20th Century's great explanations of "why we fight." Alongside They Thought The Were Free and The True Believer, this book is the perfect depiction of how and why government 1) will grow to whatever extent it is allowed and 2) MUST be contained to prevent the inevitable excesses.
24 posted on 10/27/2002 10:06:31 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Liz
Alexander Solzhenitsyn's Warning to the West
http://www.anticommunism.org/solzhenitsyn/index.html
25 posted on 10/27/2002 5:56:10 PM PST by LiberalBuster
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To: Maigret
One of my own favorites is Solzhenitsyn's A Pictorial Autobiography, which after showing picture after picture of Solzhenitsyn in the concentration camps, ends with the following poem:

How east for me to live with You, O Lord!
How easy for me to believe in You!
When my mind parts in bewilderment
or falters,
when the most intellegent people see no further
than this day's end
and do not know what must be done tomorrow,
You grant me the serene certitude
that You exist and that You will take care
that not all the paths of good be closed.
Atop the ridge of earthly fame,
I look back in wonder at the path
which I alone could never have found,
a wonderous path through despair to this point
from which I, too, could transmit to mankind
a reflection of Your rays.
And as much as I must still reflect
You will give me.
But as much as I cannot take up
You will have already assigned to others.

26 posted on 10/28/2002 10:01:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: fortheDeclaration; winstonchurchill; ShadowAce; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; The Grammarian; ...
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27 posted on 10/28/2002 10:11:24 AM PST by xzins
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To: xzins
Excellent, excellent post. Those of you too young to remember the dark, dangerous years of the 1970s cannot imagine how close we came to the fall of a global night -- or how bright a beacon of hope Mr. Solzshenitsyn was.

The tide turned the next year; with the ascension of Ronald Reagan to the leadership of the GOP and of Margaret Thatcher to the post of Prime Minister of the UK, the United States, the British and the West began to awaken and arm itself against the Soviet bear that was by then within our gates. That awakening -- and the victory of Soviet communism that followed -- was in no small part the legacy of Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn.

One is reminded by this stirring speech that the meaning of the name "Alexander" is "defender of mankind"...
28 posted on 10/28/2002 10:30:02 AM PST by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan; drstevej
At present, some western voices already have spoken of obtaining protection from a third power against aggression in the next world conflict, if there is one; in this case the shield would be China. But I would not wish such an outcome to any country in the world.

First of all, it is again a doomed alliance with evil; also, it would grant the United States a respite, but when at a later date China with its billion people would turn around armed with American weapons, America itself would fall prey to a genocide similar to the one perpetrated in Cambodia in our days.

And yet - no weapons, no matter how powerful, can help the West until it overcomes its loss of willpower. In a state of psychological weakness, weapons become a burden for the capitulating side. To defend oneself, one must also be ready to die; there is little such readiness in a society raised in the cult of material well-being.

The above is nothing short of awesomely prophetic.

29 posted on 10/28/2002 10:37:22 AM PST by xzins
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To: Noumenon
I have a feeling that this low-grade cultural and spiritual war in which we have been engaged is about to run white-hot.

Agreed. The stage is being set. As in the achievement of "critical-mass", social and cultural events will descend suddenly and move in rapid succession, to everyone's amazement. The foundational rending will be felt universally, and every person will be a player. The only available joy will come from knowing in advance the ultimate outcome, and in being able to discern counterfeit from authentic.

30 posted on 10/28/2002 10:44:29 AM PST by Prince Caspian
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To: xzins
The West has been dying for five hundred years, heart-cut by the twin blows of schism and scientific "enlightenment". What we're hearing now (and are likely to hear for some time) are merely the death-rattles. Christendom was ther soul of the West, without it, the corpus began to fragment and decay. The triumph of atomistic individualism, empowered by the technology of materialist science, represents the victory of cell over organism -- in other words, disintegration. And, like cells cut off from the living organism, the death of the individual is the inevitable result. That the destruction of the dignity of the individual human person is the direct result of the "liberation" of the individual human person from the organic Body that gave it life is surely the ultimate irony of history.

And next? The realization of the Luciferic dream of biological immortality, the Satanic dream of ultimate Liberty, the apotheosis of fallen humanity: the Wellsian utopia, Men As Gods. A future dominated by fallen Man, bereft of the Natural Law and armed godlike with the power of life and death, is truly a vision of Hell.

The cure for our ailing civilization will not be found in politics, machinery, social programming, or plumbing the depths of personal hedonism. Only a Christian reconquista can save the West; only a true renaissance of overt and militant Christianity can bring the near-dead husk of our civilization back to life.

To be a Christian, one must "die to self", be buried in the water, fire, and desire of baptism, and be reborn as a Child of God. To live, the man-centered, materialist West of the so-called Enlightenment only has to die -- and be reborn as Christendom.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit." [St. John 12:22]

31 posted on 10/28/2002 11:25:06 AM PST by B-Chan
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To: Liz
bttt
32 posted on 10/28/2002 11:28:19 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: B-Chan
And next? The realization of the Luciferic dream of biological immortality, the Satanic dream of ultimate Liberty, the apotheosis of fallen humanity: the Wellsian utopia, Men As Gods. A future dominated by fallen Man, bereft of the Natural Law and armed godlike with the power of life and death, is truly a vision of Hell.

Since this is not possible, the utopia, I mean, and no rational man imagines any such thing, why do you listen to it, and why do you repeat it?

The cure for our ailing civilization will not be found in politics, machinery, social programming, or plumbing the depths of personal hedonism. Only a ___ reconquista can save the West...

Your hallucination of "saving the West" is as unrealistic as any utopian dream, whether by a Christian conquest, or any other. There will always be good, decent, rational individuals who will know how to find freedom and to live responsibly, but, most of the world is stupid, hates freedom, and just wants someone or something to take care of them, and there are always plenty of thugs around to do just that.

It has never changed. It never will.

Most of the big problems of the world, are men's attempts to save the world, or save the West, or save civilization. If people would mind their own business and take care of themselves, there would be no problems. But, as I said, this will never happen, because someone always thinks they know how to save the world.

Hank

33 posted on 10/28/2002 12:13:02 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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Since this is not possible, the utopia, I mean, and no rational man imagines any such thing...
"The roots of transhumanist philosophy are sunk deep in the humanist movement of the 20th century. Humanists believe that humans matter, that individuals matter. We might not be perfect, but we can make things better and promote rational thinking, freedom, tolerance and democracy. Transhumanists agree with this but also emphasize what we have the potential to become. Not only can we use rational means to improve the human condition and the external world; we can also use them to improve ourselves, the human organism. And we are not limited strictly to rational means; we can use technological means that will eventually enable us to move beyond what most would describe as human." [Source]
These rational men imagine it. And there are plenty of others. The dream of perfectability is as old as the human race.

Your hallucination of "saving the West" is as unrealistic as any utopian dream, whether by a Christian conquest, or any other.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

There will always be good, decent, rational individuals who will know how to find freedom and to live responsibly, but, most of the world is stupid, hates freedom, and just wants someone or something to take care of them, and there are always plenty of thugs around to do just that.

Freedom is not the ultimate goal of humankind. And your "good, decent, rational individuals" are only as good or decent as their devotion to the Divinely-ordained Natural Law as perceived by Reason. No man can be a law (moral or otherwise) unto himself, defining by some self-styled "rational process" Good and Evil; to think so is to participate in the ultimate hallucination, the ultimate utopian dream. "Ye shall become as gods."

Most of the big problems of the world, are men's attempts to save the world, or save the West, or save civilization. If people would mind their own business and take care of themselves, there would be no problems.

But people won't. Expecting people to act like that is a fantasy. Such thoughts do not accord with human nature. In the real world people are bent, twisted on a fundamental level, fundamentally (but not totally) depraved; they crave power for its own sake, are jealous of the success of others, wallow in Schadenfreude at the discomfiture of their enemies. People are not born minding their own business and taking care of themselves; they learn such behaviors from their parents and from the values transmitted them by their native culture: pagan culture, pagan values; materialist/hedonist culture, materialist/hedonist values; Christian culture, Christian values. Whether any given individual follows the code of Right and Wrong inculcated within them is open to question; character is defined by the choices of the given individual, but the people of a given society by their beliefs, values, and actions define their culture.

But, as I said, this will never happen, because someone always thinks they know how to save the world.

Only Jesus Christ can and will save the world. Our only choice is whether or not we want to be His friends or His enemies.

34 posted on 10/28/2002 1:08:39 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanks, I'd never seen this one. A man full of Grace.
35 posted on 10/28/2002 2:40:51 PM PST by Maigret
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To: Prince Caspian
The only available joy will come from knowing in advance the ultimate outcome, and in being able to discern counterfeit from authentic.

The former is unknowable - there are no guarantees, but the latter is one aspect of what we (my family and I) have trained for. It's also certain, as you've said, that every individual will be a player, like it or not, ready or not. What's that famous quote from Lenin?

"You may not be interrested in war, but war is interested in you."

36 posted on 10/28/2002 4:54:13 PM PST by Noumenon
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To: Liz
Solzhenitsyn has moments of insight, but the deeper I read his passage, the more I feel he is smitten as a murmuror.
37 posted on 10/28/2002 7:05:45 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Jack Black
A ping for Igor Shafarevich and his book 'Socialism'.
38 posted on 10/28/2002 7:19:19 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Liz
"No one on earth has any other way left but - upward. "

Just think. Even after the Second Coming of Christ, a 1000 year rule and perfect environment, the Devil will be loosed but for a time, and during that freedom man will again rebel and a great battle ensues.

Rodney King said, "Can't we all just get along?"

I say, hallelujah for that day when our hearts and minds are rewritten in His will.

39 posted on 10/28/2002 7:32:02 PM PST by Cvengr
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To: Prince Caspian
Well stated, I concur.
40 posted on 10/28/2002 7:44:28 PM PST by Cvengr
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