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The self-determination and liberty of 22 million on Taiwan mean absolutely nothing to them in comparison.

The Taiwanese do not want self determination and liberty separate from China. They see themselves as a Chinese government in exile. I don't believe they have ever advocated a separate state. I haven't studied this, but I believe this is the case.

The Taiwanese do not want self determination and liberty separate from China. They see themselves as a Chinese government in exile. I don't believe they have ever advocated a separate state. I haven't studied this, but I believe this is the case.
Yes, some do want independence.
Taiwan Independence Party
Chinese Premier Warns Against "Taiwan Independence"
Snip..."But I want to make clear here that whoever comes into power in Taiwan after the election must not go about 'Taiwan independence', nor will 'Taiwan independence' in whatever form be allowed," he stressed, adding, "this is the bottom line of the Chinese government and represents the common wish of the 1.25 billion people in China."
"Our consistent principle on the settlement of the Taiwan question has been 'peaceful reunification' and 'one country, two systems', but we do not promise giving up the use of force to resolve the Taiwan issue," the premier said.
"We will support whoever upholds the 'one China' principle, and we can hold negotiations with him on any question and are ready to make concessions on our part," he said.
"Whoever goes about 'Taiwan independence' is doomed," he said. "Because such a proposition runs against the wishes of the Chinese people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait, and runs against the wishes of overseas Chinese and people of Chinese origin all over the world."
Snip...The premier rebuffed the presumption that China dare not use force to resolve the Taiwan question. "Some people are calculating how many aircraft, missiles and warships China possesses, and have concluded that China dare not and will not use force (to resolve the Taiwan issue)," he said. "According to such kind of calculation, Hitler would long have ruled the whole world."
"People making such calculations don't know about the Chinese history. The Chinese people are ready to shed blood and sacrifice their lives to defend the unity of their motherland and the dignity of the Chinese nation," Zhu stressed.

I don't believe they have ever advocated a separate state.

From the above article:

Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, has voiced support for a referendum on formal independence from China.

This seems to contradict your belief about Taiwanese wishes for Independence.

Let's have that referendum, and see what the Taiwanese think. Do people have a right to self-determination or not?

The Taiwanese do not want self determination and liberty separate from China. They see themselves as a Chinese government in exile. I don't believe they have ever advocated a separate state. I haven't studied this

That's obvious (sorry cheap shot).

Your comments are decades out of date. They do hark back to the time when Taiwan was still under Marshall law after being taken over by China after WWII (Taiwan was part of Japan from 1895 til the end of WWII).

It was illegal for people of Taiwan to say anything other than what you express and those who did were imprisoned, exiled or killed.

There was no representative democracy at the time nor free press either.

In the last 10 years or so Taiwan has become fully free with multiparty democracy.

The vast majority favor either outright independence -- ie changing the name of the nation from Republic of China to Republic of Taiwan or maintaining the status quo which is continued independence from China as the Republic of China.

As far as seeing themseves as a government in exile, that became rather silly after 10 years of existence of Red China, but continued on as an empty policy while Chiang Kai-shek and his son Chiang Ching-kuo were alive.

A few years after the younger Chiang died in 1988, the constitution was changed to correct the anachronistic position -- no more claim to be the legitimite government of China etc...