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Bush says does not support independence for Taiwan -(Bush Shafts Taiwan, mine)
Reuters ^ | 10-26-02

Posted on 10/26/2002 12:37:58 AM PDT by tallhappy

CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush said on Friday the United States would use its influence to ensure China and Taiwan settle their differences peacefully and promised to make it clear to Taipei that Washington does not support independence.

In a news conference with Chinese President Jiang Zemin, Bush said the United States stood by the "one China" policy, which acknowledges that Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is only one China and that Taiwan is part of China.

"The 'one China' policy means that the issue ought to be resolved peacefully," Bush said.

"We've got influence with some in the region. We intend to make sure that the issue is resolved peacefully, and that includes making it clear that we do not support independence," Bush added.

Taiwan's president, Chen Shui-bian, has voiced support for a referendum on formal independence from China.

The move outraged Beijing, which views the island as a renegade province and a linchpin in Sino-U.S. relations.

Beijing had hoped Bush would repeat a pledge not to back independence for Taiwan, which China says must eventually be reunified with the mainland, by force if necessary.

Nationalists headed by Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan in 1949 after losing a civil war to Mao Zedong's communists. Washington shifted diplomatic recognition to Beijing in 1979.

But the United States has offered Taiwan the biggest arms package in a decade and Bush has pledged to do "whatever it takes" to help the democratically governed island protect itself.

Bush did not repeat that pledge at Friday's news conference.

But during a visit to China earlier this year, he said, "When my country makes an agreement, we stick with it, and there is (something) called the Taiwan Relations Act and I honour that act, which says we will help Taiwan defend herself if provoked."

China says it is seriously concerned about the U.S. warming to Taiwan under Bush and has called on Washington to halt military contacts and arms sales to the island.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bush; china; taiwan
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To: Lucas1
Then you must have been disappointed in President Bush from the beginning. This is not a chance in his stance. He has said this all along.
181 posted on 10/26/2002 11:01:01 AM PDT by Kath
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To: BillCompton
ROFL
182 posted on 10/26/2002 11:19:42 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Jeff Head
MUCH, MUCH, MUCH AGREE WITH YOU.
183 posted on 10/26/2002 11:25:27 AM PDT by Quix
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To: tallhappy
When it comes to China, it's not about principle or ethics. It's all about the money. Just ask Poppy Bush...or Kissinger...or Motorola....or....or.......

People of this ilk will dump Taiwan in a flash.

184 posted on 10/26/2002 11:26:40 AM PDT by hove
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To: ffrancone
Certainly the Chinese are an exceedingly practical people. . . . except when their pride gets hooked.
185 posted on 10/26/2002 11:31:33 AM PDT by Quix
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To: KDD
Yet the conduct of China’s government can be alarming abroad, and appalling at home. Beijing has been investing its growing wealth in strategic nuclear weapons... new ballistic missiles… a blue-water navy and a long-range airforce.

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That say it all. This build-up is not to be used for domestic purposes or peaceful international purposes.

The problem is, when Bush issues statements such as this it is momentary pap to placate conservatives rather than a consistent ideology and policy. On alternate days Bush's statements can be quoted to assert he holds any position.

186 posted on 10/26/2002 11:42:39 AM PDT by RLK
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To: ffrancone
"So the probable result of Chinese occupation of Taiwan is neutralization of Japan, Korea and the Phillipines."

I don't discount the strategic importance, but "neutralization", whatever's meant by that, is likely gong to take more than proximity to "preferred" shipping lanes. Without more evidence of that as a motivation, I don’t find your argument convincing. Nations have invested a more for less strategic ambitions, including our own.

187 posted on 10/26/2002 11:50:01 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: tallhappy

"The 'one China' policy means that the issue ought to be resolved peacefully," Bush said.

Who said Dubya is a conservative?

At least, every time that he shows his moderate colors like this, a few more conservatives wake up and smell the moderate odor coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.  I doubt that it will be enough to get a real conservative nominated by the GOP in two years.  But, who knows.  If he keeps making these types of statements, it might just happen.

 

188 posted on 10/26/2002 11:55:49 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: SR71A
They are not, at least have not been, imperialistic and we don't want them to be. You seem to be forgetting about the invasion and brutal repression of Tibet, a separate nation and culture. Doesn't that meet your definition of imperialism?

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China's imperialism is temporarily held in check by its geographical position. To the north lies Siberia. A military move into Siberia would result in 20,000,000 Chinese popsicles come winter when their supply lines were cut. To the Northwest lies the Gobi desert. A military move into there would mean catastrophe. To the West lies India, the only country in the world that can match China's population. Everything else is water. Militarily, China needs to build over-water mobility and reach with a navy, air force, and missiles that can be used to nuclear blackmail any opposition.

189 posted on 10/26/2002 11:58:51 AM PDT by RLK
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To: Quix
And Taiwanese could decide to surrender and not bother fighting.

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It's not a matter of "bothering" to fight. It's a matter of military vulnerability. You have a group of people in a small area facing overwhelming numbers who can be wiped out very easily with the aid of mocern technology.

190 posted on 10/26/2002 12:04:31 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Edmund Burke
Maybe because Bush is a communist sympathizer. Why else would he be inviting a brutal dictator to his ranch this past week and not mention a single thing about Chinese torture and imprisonment of Christians or their murderous forced abortions?

Bush is selling out for $$$. I wonder which dicatator he's going to invite to his ranch next. Maybe invite Mugabe or Castro into his ranch for barbecue next weekend?

191 posted on 10/26/2002 12:06:21 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: Quix
"That's a problem they are rapidly correcting. "

I don't keep abreast this any longer. Last time I checked, they were so far off that it wasn't anything more than a dream of those who don't know better. We don't have to get our a/c carriers in range of their coast to defend Taiwan with our Naval a/c. If they attack our Navy with their Navy, they'll completely lose theirs, even if it's 10 times its present size. So we'll likely own the air around Taiwan, not to mention our subs disrupting the seas. Even if China had the equipment, that's less than half the battle. China has zero experience at an operation this size, and next to zero chance of getting it right on first try.

China's ambitions toward Taiwan is something we need to be prepared for and continue to counter wo that they can't intimidate Taiwan into submission, not something we need to be fearful of occurring while we're not looking.

192 posted on 10/26/2002 12:07:02 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: SunTzuWu
You're joking if you think the administration is worried about North Korea or even intending to do anything about it. Saddam is all they care about. Look at our own hemisphere for example. We are on the verge of two new Communists in power in South America by the end of the year. For Bush, there's always 'something more important' to worry about.

"The war on terror (ie war on Saddam)" has become a catchall excuse with which to ignore the very real crisis which are soon to be unleashed.

193 posted on 10/26/2002 12:12:16 PM PDT by fogarty
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To: RLK
TRUE ENOUGH.

However, it is also simple bother. They won't bother to read the training manuals for the Patriot missles. They won't bother to do the maintenance. They won't bother to do the training. They just don't want to be bothered. They'd rather play Majang or Chinese chess or drink beer and gamble. . . or just be couch potatoes.

One highly paid expert TRIED EVERY WAY HE COULD FIGURE THAT WAS LEGAL AND HONORABLE to change their aversion to bothering--for at least 5 years--to no avail. He finally gave up and retired.

So if the patriot missle batteries work against the Mainland Chinese--something will have changed or it's not the fault of the Taiwanese that they work.

Their rationalization is a classic Chinese one: "It's not the Chinese way. We don't need to do . . . .[whatever the dumb western barbarian thinks we need to do] because we're Chinese.

Overwhelming military odds? That will depend on a lot of factors. Taiwan has many advantages from a defensive standpoint. . . . especially IF there's a will to fight and the equipment and training etc. to do it well.
194 posted on 10/26/2002 12:14:30 PM PDT by Quix
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To: elfman2
Sure hope you're right. They've been buying Russian ships, subs and planes like it was a fire sale.
195 posted on 10/26/2002 12:16:19 PM PDT by Quix
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To: sneakypete
I know. It sucks.
196 posted on 10/26/2002 12:36:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tallhappy; sit-rep; tdadams; Jeff Head
No need for Taiwan to declare "independence"

Taiwan does not have to declare Independence. Taiwan is independent.

When we say we support only a peaceful resolution to the conflict, we mean that we support Taiwan's de facto independence. To directly confront the PRC's delusions is not the way to resolve the conflict peacefully.

Only Taiwan's own appeasers can give up her independence. The United Nations will never protect Taiwan's sovereignty. Only the United States can.

197 posted on 10/26/2002 12:56:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Dave S
So why do China nuts wait until Bush is President to complain about the policy

I have long loved Taiwan and their courageous stand against the evil communists. I have only been on FR since 4/2001. If I had been on Fr when klintoon was prez, I would have been saying the same thing.

It's a shame klintoon's and Bush's policy towards Taiwan is similar. It demonstrates that that is a policy which is above presidents.

198 posted on 10/26/2002 1:54:37 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: RLK
Agreed.
199 posted on 10/26/2002 2:57:35 PM PDT by KDD
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To: bybybill
Unless they used nukes, they can`t conquer the island. No way, no how.

Agreed. Unless the chicoms are better swimmers than we realize. :-)

200 posted on 10/26/2002 3:04:10 PM PDT by TheEngineer
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