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Muslim arrested in Beltway case (John Muhammad)
WorldNetDaily ^ | October 24, 2002 | Art Moore

Posted on 10/24/2002 5:21:19 AM PDT by Michael2001

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To: anniegetyourgun
Muslim converts can be just as dangerous. They need to prove their allegiance to their adopted 'religion'. And this guy chose to be the most radical kind of Muslim.

Similarly, anti-American 'Americans' are just as dangerous as those born elsewhere. They too feel a need to prove themselves, and to separate themselves from the evil society that they are unwillingly part of.

You keep your head in the sand. You have plenty of company.
121 posted on 10/24/2002 7:40:23 AM PDT by Jerez2
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To: IllegalAliensOUT
For the discussion, some links on the guy who owns/operates GroundZero training camp in Alabama:

Jihad arms course?

British expert faces questions

122 posted on 10/24/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Illbay
I have a friend who lives just down the street. He is from Syria originally. He is an accountant, married to an American. He is a Muslim--though she is not. He loves America, but he is also committed to his religion.

Since he's committed to his religion have you ever asked him to explain some of the more "unpleasant" verses in the Koran?
123 posted on 10/24/2002 7:41:21 AM PDT by Michael2001
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To: Jeff Head
Then they need to quickly try, convict and fry these folks ... try and fry, that's a new one.

These guys assassinated an F.B.I. analyst. Bad move. They're officially in the twilight of their lives now.

124 posted on 10/24/2002 7:41:50 AM PDT by jpl
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To: agrace
I have no problem with American citizens getting weapons training on American soil, but how is it justifiable/legal to commercially train foreigners in weapons use? Dont tell any of the second ammendment people that you want people visiting target ranges to have to show their drivers license or some other proof of American citizenship before they are allowed to use the range. This Camp Ground Zero that you are complaining about spends most of its time training law enforcement.
125 posted on 10/24/2002 7:43:50 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Austin Willard Wright
I have the DVD and it is interesting to see how the National Socialists launched their jihad against western cilivization.

Maybe your favorite film is the one they were showing last night at Moscow when 50 to 100 MUSLIM TERRORISTS showed up to conduct a dialog with the Russian theatre patrons.

How many ISLAMIC TERROR attacks have to happen before people get their head out of the sand? Will you still defend Muslims when they set off a nuclear device in DC????
126 posted on 10/24/2002 7:44:19 AM PDT by Jonathan
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To: jpl
They're officially in the twilight of their lives now

If it's proven that they are the ones ... I hope the sun sets and darkness falls real soon.

Here's my preferred announcement regarding this guy's arrest.

"John Muhammad, a long time convert to Islam, a follower of Louis Fara Khan and an individual who vocally approved of 911 who was arrested in conjunction with the Beltway Sniper case this morning at a rest stop on I-70 in Maryland."

127 posted on 10/24/2002 7:47:30 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: js1138
...officials believe neither man to be associated with the al-Qaida terrorist network.(From the article)

What does it take to be "associated"? I mean do they carry membership cards? Why were they in Washington State? The climate?

Associate -- to come together as partner or colleagues.(Websters)

128 posted on 10/24/2002 7:49:01 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: YaYa123
Just minutes ago on FOXNews, I heard E.D. and Steve discuss the Michael's craft store link to the killings. According to them, the English version of Muhammad is Michael

And if his name had been Jesus (Spanish)he would have targeted people outside of churchs? I think sometimes these anchors engage their mouthes before their brains.

129 posted on 10/24/2002 7:49:05 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Squantos
Amen to all of that bro.
130 posted on 10/24/2002 7:49:54 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Amen.
131 posted on 10/24/2002 7:50:15 AM PDT by muggs
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To: Alamo-Girl
There are plenty more "John Muhammads" waiting in the shadows to take this guy's place.....

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A Matter of Faith: Islam is Fastest-Growing Religion in the U.S.


Abdullah Yusuf, center, prays at the Masjid As-Salam in Sacramento
on Friday. Yusuf says he was raised Catholic but converted to Islam
because he liked the teachings of the Qur'an.

Latino Muslims

In April, California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America" before and after Columbus. One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Another speaker, Daniel Denton, a Stockton elementary school teacher who was born in Mexico, said he was a hard-drinking veteran of the Gulf War when he began to explore Islam in 1994. At the invitation of Muslims at Delta College, he went to a mosque. "There was a carpet on the floor, and the walls were bare. I wondered, 'Where is everything?' and then I realized that was everything. If you go to a Catholic church, every few feet they have an image or a statue, but in Islam, there is no association between God and any image."

Denton also was impressed by the Islamic belief that each individual will be judged by their deeds on Judgment Day. That night, he took the shahada, the Muslim vow that says "There is only one God, Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."

When he started fasting for Ramadan, "I heard my relatives in Stockton were calling my mom in San Diego and telling her I had become a terrorist and was doing drugs," Denton said. "When I went down to San Diego toward the end of Ramadan, I had lost 15 pounds and was starting to grow my beard. My mom was just in tears for days."

But, Denton said, his mother soon realized that instead of partying, he was staying home and talking to her as he had never done before.

"As she began to see the change, she came to accept it, and now she's happy. There's a saying in Islam that goes, 'Heaven lies at the feet of the mother. You have to treat her well at all times, take care of her.' "

Denton, 29, sees similarities between Islamic and Latino culture. "I've noticed that if you take away the crosses, the alcohol and the pork, the smells in my house are similar to Muslim homes..."

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California State University, Sacramento, hosted a forum on the "Islamic Presence in Latin America before and after Columbus". One of the speakers, Salvadoran-born AbdulHadi Bazurto (President of Latin American Muslim Unity), said the more he examined his roots, the more he questioned the validity of Catholicism in his life. "Since the day the Spanish arrived, we as people have suffered a lot," he said. "Christianity's 'white God' concept was harmful to our people, who were definitely not white."

Our tax dollars at work.


132 posted on 10/24/2002 7:52:17 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Lx
Ground zero in Alabama is just a summer camp?

No, its a target range and a major training center for law enforcement in Alabama and Missippi run by a good ole white boy. Sounds real subversive.

133 posted on 10/24/2002 7:53:29 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Jeff Head
I had heard that thet had been staying at a Homeless Shelter?? Is that true? They certainly know how to hide, use all available social programs to their advantage. I bet he is a registered Democrat too.

Home many people in a homeless shelter carry ID or are they quizzed by the people that run the shelters about their where abouts?
134 posted on 10/24/2002 7:53:36 AM PDT by SCR1
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To: Dave S
Any other questions I can answer for you before you engage your brain today.

Sure. In your estimate, what are the chances the snipers knew the six guys in the cell broken up just before the shootings started?

135 posted on 10/24/2002 7:54:20 AM PDT by js1138
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To: ppaul
Thank you so much for the information!
136 posted on 10/24/2002 7:54:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: VRWC_minion
Is there a gay issue also ?

Say what? The kid is his step son.

137 posted on 10/24/2002 7:55:06 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Jeff Head
Howdy, Jeff...after getting up early and watching FoxNewsChannel's coverage of this case, I was forced to let the kids watch cartoons as we were getting ready for work and ended up watching a little of PerkyKatie on the "Today" show. What a brainless DITZ!! She was trying to link this Muhammad to RightWingMilitia, "pro-gun nuts", and everything else but the LeftWing Terrorist he was and is!! Amazing the kind of back-bending she was doing to slander gun rights folks...I finally had to just shut it off before I got too worked up...LOL!!

Hope these are the guys...MUD

138 posted on 10/24/2002 7:56:00 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Squantos
And to all who think these two POS killers were "lashing out" against oppression or some BS idealism that validates shooting women and children and other non combatants need to be called, collected , prosecuted ,punished and if still alive after all of that .....deported..... as exactly what they really are...... Terrorist Trash .........

Yeah, that's already starting. On our local radio show, a guy called in and blamed all of this on slavery. Another guy called in and said it's funny that everyone thought this was an "angry white man" and so it would be white people's faults. Now it's an "angry black man" and it's still white people's faults.

139 posted on 10/24/2002 7:58:22 AM PDT by lsucat
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
As a coded message to other Muslim "sleeper" terrorists, perhaps?

Like they couldnt pick up the phone and say that themselves?

140 posted on 10/24/2002 7:58:31 AM PDT by Dave S
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