The "experts" who said the sniper was a right-wing white guy and the anthrax (vanity)

Oct. 24 2002 | Michael2001

[Bush2000]

Oh, these two may be sincerely angry at the US, but that doesn't mean they are international terrorists.

Who cares? They're terrorists. Period. Whether they conspired with other groups is beside the point.

[70times7]

I'm sorry, I thought THIS [see post #207] was your comment implying that it would be easier to assume it was an American killer.

Look more carefully at what I replied to. What I said had nothing to do with sniper origin, and everything to do with bad humor (I used to work in the department of redundancy department). Would it have helped if I had said "right-wing butler"?

[SarahW]

*I* don't pledge to the flag (although I do stand at attention during the pledge). That's not what this is about, and I think you know that.

[FreedomPoster]

Bluecollarman nails it on 10/8/2002.

Everyone should see this; towards the bottom of his post.

I remember that post, now that I see it, and remember thinking it some of the best-thought-out conjecture of the time. Good job, bluecollarman.

[anniegetyourgun]

MM - I'll gladly comply with your restrictions on my speech and continued conversations here.

I haven't discounted anything, but am not willing to jump on any particular bandwagon because we don't know what the motivations are. As I said before, I'm very concerned about the desire on the part of a few here to deport/off all muslim-americans.

[woofer]

Heard a profiler on WRVA in Richmond say he thinks these suspects are not the sniper(s) because "all the profilers are agreed this was the work of a white male and these guys don't fit the profile."

How drool. I don't think I was ever exposed to the actual FBI or police profiles during the shooting spree. But from what I've read over the years from John Douglas books and articles on criminal profiling, religious belief and fanaticisms hardly ever enter the picture without some form of message left behind at the scene or in direct communications with police or media. They didn't find a message until the twelfth shooting. There wasn't any verbal communication until after the first written message was received.

Have to respect someone with the courage not to let the facts mess up their theory.

To paraphrase a magnificent entrepentuer, there's a dupe born every minute. Maybe this guy was so hyped up to be considered worth interviewing he hadn't listened to the news for the past several days.

"if the government wanted me to know things, they'd tell me."
"We're from the government, and we're here to help you."

[jd777]

Duck Duck Goose. Mr. Moose.

[Miss Marple]

You are not making a convincing case by your comments. I don't believe in mass deportation for any group. However, I do think that by your commentary you are alienating those you are trying to persuade.

I have often said that deportation wouldn't help us significantly. We could not have deported the American citizens in the Buffalo cell (only one was a non-citizen) nor the American citizens in the Portland cell (only one or two were non-citizens). You couldn't have deported this guy, nor John Walker Lindh, nor Jose Padilla.

We have a huge number of potential terrorists in this country who are citizens. Therefore, to solve this problem, it is silly to pretend that radical Islam has no connection to any of the fringe groups, and that includes gangs, Black Muslims, eco-terrorists, and certain mosques in this country. The sooner we figure out how to identify and combat this, and the sooner we are suspicious about some people's allegiances, the better off we will be.

I am leaving for the afternoon. I am not trying to abridge your speech. I was merely commenting that it was annoying.

[JavaTheHutt]

And as far as I am concerned, you may stay out of the box, climb into the box, or run around it in circles. I would like you to quit using that phrase, but I am sure you won't.

I will not eat it with a fox.
I will not share it with an ox.
I will not keep it in my socks.
I will not secure it with padlocks.
I do not like your use of "box".
I curse your household with a pox!

[woofer]

Assuming he is a black American who converted to the muslim faith, what shall we do to protect ourselves from all of those types?

I don't need to assume anything. For instance, I know he is a Black American. I've seen his picture posted on this and several news sites. Likewise, I don't assume he converted to muslimism (sic), I know for a fact that he is a muslim convert, from reading the reports and from the quote by his first ex-wife.

As for protecting ourselves from anti-american and anti-infidel types, well for one we can stay vigilant and observant to our surroundings and suspicious activity, Not all future terrorists or terrorist wannabes are going to be Calypso Louie and NOI adherents, some may be white, asian, south asians (aryan), native americans or hispanics. One lesson to be learned from this episode is that we keep a cool head and a sharp eye at all times and refuse to panic at the drop of a hat.

[Godebert]

"White right-wing guy. Black muslim. What's the difference really?"

Apples....oranges.........what's the difference really?

[70times7]

Paranoia working a bit overtime hmmm?

If it is any consolation, I went back and scanned a few posts to see what the big deal was and I think I understand.

Back when everyone was up in arms over Elian (Cuba-dooba-do!) I simply asked, begged even, for someone to help me understand why they thought my position was wrong. I didn't even "like" my position on the issue, but had concluded logically that it was appropriate. I stated ALL of this and yet I was flamed mercilessly by jerks who were more interrested in name calling than discussion of the issue. William Wallace was kind enough to provide links to enable me to understand why the other point of view was superior. Please understand that I am not drawing a parallel with your situation, I only saying that people who are willing to discuss an issue civily and objectively can be few and far between.

keep on pluggin'

[DentsRun]

Sure he hates. He's an angry whack-job on a crime spree. Sometimes a criminal is just a criminal.

Gad, I suppose if one of the Columbine kids had come from a Muslim family, you would be telling me there was an Al-Queda connection.

I haven't had time to read the 10,000 posts here on Free Republic regarding the sniper but I'll bet someone is already alleging a link to Saddamn. The Sniper met with Saddam in Prague or there's a mosque in Tacoma with ties to Al Qaeda and this guy used to drive past it every day on his way to work. Anyway, you heard it here first. The next headline: "Sniper an Iraqi Agent" or "Sniper Worked For Saddam."

[gatex]

"...There are dots..."

Interesting info [3rd link doesn't work].

Notice that no one posts links about Muslim goodwill toward the U.S.

[Sabertooth]

Interesting info [3rd link doesn't work].

My bad, try this...

Colorado's investigation indicated that the United States FUQRA movement was composed of approximately 30 different 'Jamaats' or communities, somewhat mobile in nature. Most of these 'Jamaats' are believed to currently exist today, along with what investigators deemed to be several 'covert paramilitary training compounds' -- one of which had been located in a remote mountainous area near Buena Vista, Colorado prior to Colorado's prosecutions in the mid-1990s. The corresponding FUQRA 'Jamaat' to the Buena Vista compound was located in Colorado Springs, Colorado…

One of the FUQRA defendants convicted is James D. Williams. After his conviction in 1993 for conspiracy to commit first degree murder, racketeering, and forgery, Williams fled and remained a fugitive until being apprehended in Virginia in August 2000. He was returned to Colorado and sentenced this past March to 69 years in prison. From at least the middle 1980's through 1990, Williams was a leader of a Colorado FUQRA.
INFORMATION REGARDING COLORADO'S
INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION
OF MEMBERS OF JAMAAT UL FUQRA

[AppyPappy]

Zactly. I can see how people confused a white racist with a black muslim. Happens all the time

[bluecollarman]

Thanks FreedomPoster!

[iconoclast]

No Annie, if they are muslim, they are not Christian, they are muslim. To say that many muslims are Christians is like saying that many Budhists are Catholics, or many dogs are cats, or many apples are oranges. One of these things is not like the other.

I asked her if she was off her meds ... but she denied ever being on them. ;o)

[goldstategop]

I thought he was a white guy but I NEVER maintained he was a racist given the mix of victims. How the FBI could have come to THAT conclusion is astonishing. We all were cautious since nothing led us to believe it was an act of Muslim terrorism. 9-11 should have told us the Religion of Peace is inventive when it comes to attacking America. And if in fact the suspects now in custody turn out to be Islamonazi terrorists, they definitely chose the perfect place to attack America. And the random killings of innocent civilians is definitely an act of terrorism. Here's to hoping along with everyone else that the sniper incidents in the Washington D.C area are finally over!

[Southack]

"This AM, FOX is reporting that there are "no known ties to Al Queda". I've expected the media to lie about/downplay the terrorist connection, so why is my blood boiling right now?"

And yet, the sniper insisted that the police broadcast the phrase "Like A Duck In a Noose" (LADIN, Bin Ladin). Gee, no connection to terrorism?!

Hey, how about snipers loose in Washington, D.C., like that isn't a hint that it's terrorism (location, location, location)?! Or how about that the snipers were caught on the road to Bush's Camp David retreat today?!

Plus, one and maybe both snipers are Jamaican, ala the Richard Reid (press won't use his Islamic name) shoe bomber.

How about a Black Panther/Jamaican crime gang connection to the murder in Alabama's Black Belt that seemed to kick off this whole terroristic spree?

No connection to terrorsism?! Does someone PAY these guys to act so dumb?!