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To: L,TOWM
>>I don't like walking around with the growing dread that the only way my kids will grow up in a world fit for living in is to remove 1.3 Billion persons from it.

I also don't like walking around in a nation of people telling me to line up and drink the Kool Aid like they are because its the only way and any other choice is just unthinkable.<<

They are not all like that. Daniel Pipes (a pro-Israel Jew who specializs in Middle East studies) estimates that perhaps 10%-15% of Muslims are Islamists.
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/79

We aren't in a war with Islam, we are in a war with Islamism.

905 posted on 10/23/2002 4:39:12 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: CobaltBlue
...We aren't in a war with Islam, we are in a war with Islamism....

A purely sophistical distinction. King George III could also have consoled himself with the fact that Great Britain was not at war with all American colonists--only about 12%. Louis XVI might have consoled the Little Shepardess with the news that the revolutionaries constituted less than 12% of the French population.

How did a tiny Arab tribe whose leader probably never actually existed manage to get a huge portion of the globe to protrate themselves five times a day towards the city that this mythological figure first conquered? Great, beautiful, sophisticated, ancient civilizations; all of them gone even from memory now--eradicated like the Budhist monuments in Afghanistan; their descendants part of a mass monoculture.

The Hadith gives a pretty frank indication of how they did it. When they were flush the activist vanguard--the 10 to 12% that moves all events in human history--went out to conquer. Sometimes they had fifth columnist help from dissatisfied minorites in the societies which they gutted.

The mohammedan world is in the money again because the West is totally dependant upon oil. The jihadist vangurd also smells an opening. The 300 year civil war in Western civilization has bled it dry. Western "Elites" are saprophytes feeding on the decay. Christians in the USA care about gas prices for their three cars, not about Hindus in Kasmir or Slaves in Sudan. Further the US government has been one of the main sponsors of this round of jihad--believing that they could ride this tiger and avoid the fate of the young lady from Niger.

Further, trans-national captialism has a great deal of affection for "islamic" culture. It keeps the peons out of their hair.

936 posted on 10/23/2002 5:24:56 PM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: CobaltBlue
They are not all like that. Daniel Pipes (a pro-Israel Jew who specializs in Middle East studies) estimates that perhaps 10%-15% of Muslims are Islamists.

I don't buy that analysis, though it would be nice if it were true. My view is that Muslims are in three categories:

1. Muslims who pretend not to hate us

2. Muslims that come out and say that they hate us

3. Muslims that go out and try to kill us.
960 posted on 10/23/2002 6:19:51 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: CobaltBlue
>>>>estimates that perhaps 10%-15% of Muslims are Islamists.<<<<

And another 70-80% are the "moderate" enablers.
1,048 posted on 10/23/2002 11:01:59 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: CobaltBlue
>>>>estimates that perhaps 10%-15% of Muslims are Islamists.<<<<

And another 70-80% are the "moderate" enablers.
1,050 posted on 10/23/2002 11:02:46 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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