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Cops Hung Up Phone On Beltway Shooter(!)
Houston Chronicle ^ | 10/23/2002 | Sari Horowitz and Carri Morello

Posted on 10/22/2002 9:56:15 PM PDT by Dirk McQuickly

Edited on 10/22/2002 10:21:53 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: BuddhaBoy
To: DoughtyOne

I have listened to Moore's presentations, and the man has done a fine job.

Really? A fine job at what? Keeping us informed? That is not his job. If the shooter has teed off on several statements made in the press, then maybe there should be a little LESS press?

153 posted on 10/23/02 12:00 AM Pacific by BuddhaBoy
 

So far your major complaints seem to be centered around Moose's language skills, the fact that he hasn't caught the shooter, and now the idea that there should be less press.

Despite Moose's language skills, it has not been shown to be a problem in this case.  With the White House, the United States' Justice Department, the FBI, the Secret Service and the military all working with Moose on this case, you seem to think that you are more qualified than any of them to judge Moose's abilities.  You really should realize how absurd that sounds.

The best law enforcement minds in this nation are teaming with Moose to resolve this situation.  If they can't come up with a way to resolve the situation, why are you blaming it all on Moose?

Moose does not control the press.  His words have not been used by the perp.  The press' words may have been.  That is not his fault.  If you will notice, Moose has all but stopped holding press conferences, except to issue statements the perp can respond to.  That is wise, and seems to follow what your desires would be based on your comments.

161 posted on 10/23/2002 12:15:05 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: BuddhaBoy
Well, my position is... First, let me start by saying, I don't even live in the States and I don't own a telivision. I have only ever read Chief Moose's statements- not heard them (actually no, Drudge played a clip on his last radio show- but it was short) and I have only seen photographs of the man. So I'm coming at this a little colder emotionally than a lot of Freepers I guess.

I agree it is a media circus, but not having a telly, it hasn't affected me per se- I only get the sense that it's a media frenzy by seeing how people are getting all bent out of shape on FR about it. The Atlanta Child Killings were like that too. People at each other's throats and obviously there were racial currents to those killings as well.

Anyway, my position is- even if the sniper goes on to kill another hundred people- it will never ever be the fault of the police. It will always be the killer's fault.

From what I can gather, people are upset about the way Chief Moose talks. But it seems like the cops have a lot of resources at their disposal and they are doing everything they possibly can to catch the guy. I don't imagine they don't want to catch him. People are calling for Ashcroft to take over- that's just crazy. What does Ashcroft know that Moose doesn't know? People are talking on other threads about having soldiers looking for the guy and we need to suspend the posse comitatus... People are just getting carried away.

They're going to catch this guy- he sounds really unstable. I figure they're going to do it soon. But regardless of who's in charge or how long it takes, people should reserve their rage for the motherf==ker that's doing this- the sniper. It's like the democrats wanting to blame Bush for 9/11. It wasn't our fault, wasn't his fault, there's only so much you can do... It's a damn shame people are getting killed, but honestly, there have been worse killers on the loose and it could always get a whole lot worse.

162 posted on 10/23/2002 12:15:23 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: BuddhaBoy
Hey, BB. Chill. Seriously. Sounds like we all could use some sleep.

163 posted on 10/23/2002 12:15:24 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: DoughtyOne
Moose is the police chief. As such he is going to be the point man in any case that has this high of a profile. That's just the way it is.

Actually that's not really the way it is. In many big city Police Departments, they have professional spokespeople to conduct news conferences, even in high level, high profile cases. These people are trained to deal with news media types.

Just like the White House does daily, and major companies etc.

The Chief should really be with his top investigators, investigating this case, not attending daily news conferences. Even if this is what the perp desires, the Chief should be doing his job, and let others conduct the daily news conferences.

This whole daily news conference thing with Chief Moose is getting a little bizarre. Even some of his big supporters are now agreeing with this...

164 posted on 10/23/2002 12:19:09 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I know you directed this to Howlin. What's amazing is the media spoke those things you mentioned about Bush, until he was able to actually do his job, and amazed all the critics.

Yea the chief most likely didn't get his current position on how well he spoke, but was he doing his job before being called on the national scene? The pressure on the next person that will eventually take his place has already been elevated with great expectations.

I hope the chief has learned something about praying without ceasing, and many changes coming by prayer and fasting with answers from a Higher Power.
165 posted on 10/23/2002 12:20:31 AM PDT by swheats
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To: DoughtyOne
Moose(head)'s grasp of English is the least of my concerns. His background is what concerns me most. He is in no way qualified to be leading this investigation.

I would also suggest that other agencies would be working with this baffoon were he a trained monkey. Everyone wants this case solved, regardless of the likelihood of that outcome.

The best law enforcement minds are no match for incompetent people getting in the way, leaking evidence to the media, and generally making asses of themselves. Those law enforcement minds are hamstrung in getting their way, because Polictical Correctness wont let them knock Moose(head) out of the way, nor shut him up.

Moose(head) should not be communicating with the sniper, that task should have been left to those who know what they are doing. This man is a paper-pushing administrator, and NOT a detective.

166 posted on 10/23/2002 12:22:42 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: bonfire
Hey, I have a P&L due by morning. This is a welcome diversion, as I will be up all night.
167 posted on 10/23/2002 12:23:51 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: Prodigal Son
Let me be clear, I blame only the sniper for what is happening to the shooting victims.

I blame Moose(head) for what is happening to the REST of us. I dont mean to be at anyone's throat, I'm just up wired on coffee, expressing my opinion.

If I seem a bit overzealous in my criticism, it is noted.

168 posted on 10/23/2002 12:27:01 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
There is no amount of money that can be paid to adequately compensate for what these families or any family has lost or will lose.

To cheapen their lives by the lowest denominator of money will cause them to have lost their life in vain. Giving money is no guarantee that he will quit, and open the door for the next killer to threaten more lives. There are more terrorists waiting in the wings for their cue.

I'm of the mindset that the killer is playing the media and LE. He could be the "leaker" that is giving info to unnamed sources of what's left at each scene. No honor among thieves, and all.

Better to blow a fuse instead of killing someone because you're angry things didn't go your way.
169 posted on 10/23/2002 12:27:13 AM PDT by swheats
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To: BuddhaBoy
P&L?


Goodnight and stay safe.

Bonfire
170 posted on 10/23/2002 12:27:16 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: BuddhaBoy
Oh now you tell us after your 10th cup. :)
171 posted on 10/23/2002 12:28:54 AM PDT by swheats
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To: Joe Hadenuf
If you have been watching the news, you realize that there have been several spokespersons making certain statements. One of them did provide certain information. The other seemed to be more of a scheduling person.

The point is, that when national level profile events come along, police chiefs do make statements. Daryl Gates made public statements. Chief Williams made public statements. Chief Parks made public statements. The LASD sheriff has also made public statements in high profile cases.

Once again I have to point out that there are a lot of heavyweight individuals and agencies involved with this investigation. None of them seem to be critical of Moose. I'm going to defer to their judgement. Perhaps down the road Moose will be relegated to a lower profile in this case. If so, it may have more to do with the government trying to impress people that it's doing everything it can via elevating the case to federal government agencies, rather than Moose's actual abilities.

172 posted on 10/23/2002 12:30:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: BuddhaBoy
From another thread:
http://www.co.mo.md.us/news/press/99-275.html
"Earlier this year, Moose was instrumental in bringing Oregon police chiefs and union officials together to sign a resolution against racial profiling. According to U.S. Department of Justice officials, the cooperative action was a first in the nation."



173 posted on 10/23/2002 12:31:30 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: swheats
My point is that President Bush does not give daily news conferences on serious national or global matters. He has spokespeople that are professionals that are trained and paid to do these things. That's the way things are in the real world. Like I stated before, many big city Police Departments, they have professional spokespeople to conduct news conferences, even in high level, high profile cases. These people are trained to deal with news media types.

And I will say again, if these murders continue, and Chief Moose continues to be his Departments spokesperson, the focus on him will only grow, in a very negative way. Bet on it. This is not good for the investigation or public appearance.

174 posted on 10/23/2002 12:31:37 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: BuddhaBoy
Thanks for your comments. I still disagree with you. Until people in positions of authority deem Moose to be incapable of handling this situation, I'll support him and urge others to do so. We need to pull together on this.
175 posted on 10/23/2002 12:34:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
police chiefs do make statements. Daryl Gates made public statements. Chief Williams made public statements. Chief Parks made public statements. The LASD sheriff has also made public statements in high profile cases.

Of course these officials made statements over their careers. But not daily news conferences regarding blow by blow changes in a specific case or investigation. I have never seen this happen. Not even during the largest riot in American history.....

176 posted on 10/23/2002 12:34:47 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Spirited
Thats it, ruin my last nerve. Moose(head) is a liberal activist as well.

That should just about do it, huh? Next, the good chief will be taking up donations for underprivileged snipers.

177 posted on 10/23/2002 12:36:10 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You certainly don't remember the 1992 LA Riots very well. Gates was front and center much of the time.
178 posted on 10/23/2002 12:36:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Thank you for comments too. Nothing like a spirited debate. Cheers!
179 posted on 10/23/2002 12:37:07 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
Same to you.
180 posted on 10/23/2002 12:37:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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