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To: sonserae
Most men did "nothing" to deserve divorce?

I didn't say that. The point is, he doesn't have to do anything. If the man is a lout, he'll get screwed in the divorce. If he was a saint and his wife an abusive harridan, he'll get screwed in the divorce. It doesn't matter what he does. He could be Father Of The Year. If his wife takes a liking to her biology professor, he's toast. This makes it impossible for any man to believe that any of this is under his control. The advice here is always, "Well, treat your wife right and none of this will happen to you," but that's not what the real world looks like to anyone who has friends that have been through this. The world is full of perfectly nice guys who got absolutely hosed. The system is simply not safe to deal with if you're a man. It will screw you, and it will screw you purely on the basis of your sex; it doesn't matter what you did. The sane response is to stay away from it.

320 posted on 10/28/2002 4:15:43 PM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
Well, if you know these "perfectly nice guys" send them my way. I don't need their money...I have my own...but darned if I can find a nice guy. I end up in that vicious cycle of being the giver and them being the taker. Women get hosed too.
327 posted on 10/28/2002 4:47:25 PM PST by sonserae
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To: Nick Danger
The advice here is always, "Well, treat your wife right and none of this will happen to you," but that's not what the real world looks like to anyone who has friends that have been through this. The world is full of perfectly nice guys who got absolutely hosed.

My friend is the nicest, most gentle guy I know. His wife thoroughly screwed him, so she could marry a better-earning guy. (She'll get hers eventually. Her new hubby is a lawyer who has seen what she did to her first hubby, and is not stupid enough to allow it to happen to him)

A different woman is married to an entirely different guy: a Sicilian who has told her up front that if she ever attempts to screw him in a divorce, that he will simply disappear overseas to a country that does not care about what US divorce courts have to say about anything. The marriage has lasted 17 years now, and she's very nice to him.

WW3 was avoided thru the reality of Mutual Assured Destruction. Men do also have the Nuke -- if they have the will to use it.

348 posted on 10/28/2002 5:19:50 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Nick Danger
The system is simply not safe to deal with if you're a man. It will screw you, and it will screw you purely on the basis of your sex; it doesn't matter what you did. The sane response is to stay away from it.

Agreed. Have your secretary type up a copy and I'll sign it! There is always the other law that you touched on...the law od unintended consequences. Within 20 years there will be two classes of men. The first class will be, for lack of a better term, the under-class. This new under-class will not be dominated by poor, uneducated, or the motivationally challenged. This class of society will be defined by one trait...they were "foolish" enough to have become fathers. A once envied and cherished title will be like the scarlet letter. Now before everyone jumps up and says that it's already that way, take note that as bad as things are now, you ain't seen nothin yet! In the current congress, there is a bill being pushed by BOTH democrats and republicans that would take another step in the direction of making fathers the lowest class in society. This bill would make the situation of a father who gets behind on his disguised alimony (Re:child support) much worse than it is, even if it's due to illness, layoff, or anything else not of his doing. If a father gets behind on payments, the IRS would add that amount to his taxable income and at the same time would reduce the mothers taxable income. When this happens (notice I didn't say "if"), not only will the courts have the power to impute income to a father for purposes of calculating alimony (let's not further the lie of it being child support here), but the IRS will be imputing income to fathers as well.

This lower-class will also have to deal with automatic alimony increases every three years when his state "reviews" the guideline alimony amounts, not to mention whenever the ex wife thinks that she deserves a raise and applies for one.

401k's will also get more scrutiny. After all, society can't have these men get away without their employer's matching contribution to the 401k go without used to increase his imputed income.

Oh, and don't think that it ends when your kids graduate from high school. You'll get to pay tuition AND alimony to the ex until the kids are 21, even if the kid isn't living there!

So who will the other class of men be? They will be the ones who got a vasectomy when they turned 18 after seeing what happened to their fathers.

Result...In 30 years, the birth rate of US citizens will fall much lower than it is now. The majority of the US population will be imigrants from Islamic regions of the easter hemisphere. That is when the feminist "useful idiots" see how "fair" life is for women under Islamic law. I could be wrong...I pray that I am. But somehow I don't think I'm too far off base.

382 posted on 10/28/2002 9:33:11 PM PST by Orangedog
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