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VT Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!
The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter | 10/17/02 | Cindy Wade

Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom

Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!

by Cindy Wade

Source: The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter (reprint permission is hereby granted by the publisher to any and all other news agencies and their readers or viewers)

October 17, 2002

On Wednesday, October 16, Patricia L. O'Dell, 34, of S. Newfane, was arrested at 3:05 pm at the Bennington District Court in Bennington, Vermont for contempt of court. Mrs. O'Dell had been cited into court yesterday morning for refusing to submit to fingerprinting and a photograph for police files.

Mrs. O'Dell was ordered to submit to this procedure on October 7 at another arraignment hearing for 'custodial interference' and 'impeding an officer' as part of her release conditions. That condition involved Mrs. O'Dell going to the Bennington police station within 5 days of her release. On the following Friday, October 11, four days later, Mrs. O'Dell contacted U.S. Attorney Brian Marthage in Bennington through an advocate to inform him she wished to turn herself in because she was still refusing to have the prints and photos taken. Marthage informed the advocate that the courts are closed over the weekend and according to his calculations the fifth day would be Monday, October 14. Mrs. O'Dell waited the weekend and all day Monday until 5 pm. On the morning of October 15 she arrived at the police station to turn herself in and still refused to submit to the fingerprinting and photograph. She was promptly given a citation to appear in District Court the following morning at 11:30 am.

Mrs. O'Dell arrived at District Court at 11:30 am and was told her case had been moved to 12:30 pm. Mrs. O'Dell was finally called into the court room at approximately 2:30 pm where she represented herself and entered a plea of 'not guilty' to the charge. When questioned by Judge Howard about her refusal to submit to being photographed and fingerprinted Mrs. O'Dell informed him she believes a person is innocent until proven guilty and the procedure violates her rights. After hearing testimony from the prosecutor who expressed his concern for Mrs. O'Dell's ongoing contempt and that she basically "holds the keys to her own jail cell", Judge David Howard ordered a 'show cause' hearing be scheduled for the following week. Mrs. O'Dell was then released and presented with the conditions which she was expected to sign. Upon reading the conditions Mrs. O'Dell found difficulty in agreeing with the requirement that she abide by Family Court orders. One such order is that she turn over her 15 year old homeschooling son to state custody. Mrs. O'Dell refuses to do that because she feels strongly that it would compromise her religious beliefs and her son's Christian education. She also fears he would be subjected to abuse in the hands of SRS (Social Rehabilitative Services).

Upon Mrs. O'Dell's final refusal and a warning from the deputy sheriff that she would be taken into custody if she did not sign, she was quickly escorted from the court lobby to a small holding room where she was searched and relieved of her wrist watch and wedding band. She was place in hand cuffs attached to a leather belt around her waist and her ankles were secured with cuffs and a length of metal chain. These were placed on her to prepare her for transport by the Bennington County Sheriff's department to the Chittenden Regional Corrections Facility at 7 Farrell Street in South Burlington, Vermont.

It was brought to the attention of the attending sheriffs that they needed to take special care with Mrs. O'Dell's right wrist and hand which were wrapped in a support bandage. Mrs. O'Dell says this injury was a result of state trooper Jesse Robson's actions on Friday, September 13 when he tackled Mrs. O'Dell to the ground at the home of Mrs. Pat Stewart on Rocky Lane. Mrs. Stewart is Mrs. O'Dell's mother. Robson allegedly then placed his knee in Mrs. O'Dell's back and cuffed her hands behind her back. Officer Robson then tightened his grip on her arm while twisting it in an attempt to prevent her from shouting to her family members to not let the other officers into her mother's home without a search warrant, according to Mrs. O'Dell. Robson was there that day with several other officers to take Mrs. O'Dell's four children into state custody for what he describes in his affidavit as "The basis for the children being taken into custody was educational neglect."

Mrs. O'Dell also accused Officer Robson of pulling her by the hair and squeezing her face with his hand at the time of this incident. When Mrs. O'Dell was taken into custody she claims she was never read her Miranda rights although Robson questioned her extensively and alone in the cruiser and at the Shaftsbury barracks. She says she also suspects the reason why she was not photographed when she was first arrested was because Robson left marks on her face and those marks would have shown up in the photograph. Robson was unable to take Mrs. O'Dell's fingerprints because she was suffering pain from Robson's alleged abuse that caused injury to her right hand and wrist.

Mrs. O'Dell sought medical treatment at the Southwestern Vermont Medical Center at around 12:20 am once SRS took possession of her three daughter and she was released from custody. Her arm was wrapped and placed in a sling by attending physician Dr. G. Pellerin. According to the medical report Mrs. O'Dell had a hand injury, sprained wrist and contusions. On Saturday, October 14 a highly visible thumb size contusion could be seen on Mrs. O'Dell's upper inside left arm where she alleges Robson grabbed her. The marks on her face were no longer noticeable.

Besides the alleged abuse by Officer Robson there is a huge discrepancy in the times of the arrival of the police officers and the time the search warrant was signed. According to Officer Robson and Sergeant Lloyd N. Dean, another state police officer at the scene, they arrived at approximately 4:15 or 4:39 pm. The search warrant was not signed by Judge Howard until 6:35 pm. This would show the officers entered onto the Stewart property without the proper warrant. According to Mrs. O'Dell's family members the officers were told more than once they needed a search warrant to enter the property. It was decided by Dean that he would leave to obtain the search warrant. Family members also say the back door to the kitchen was kicked in by two officers just prior to anyone actually being handed the search warrant. The search warrant specifically says "This warrant may (not) be executed without knocking and announcing the presence of law enforcement officers and their purpose." Neither the word 'may' or 'not' were either circled, underlined or crossed out. The requirement for the serving officer to knock and announce is a federal law.

Prior to Dean obtaining the search warrant O'Dell's youngest daughter, Elizabeth, age 8, was chased screaming through the wooded lot near the Stewart home for some distance before she "just disappeared", as her mother stated. This was of great concern to both Mr. and Mrs. O'Dell because just that morning Mr. O'Dell had been squirrel hunting in that same wooded area and he warned his wife to not let the children play in them for fear of them getting shot by hunters he saw there. Mrs. O'Dell says she was terrified for her daughter's safety because the five police officers who were chasing her were showing little, if any, regard for the hunting taking place in those woods.

O'Dell Family Find Themselves Homeless

The O'Dell family has been living in their car, in motels and have camped out in warmer weather since they lost their West Haven, Vermont home to a fire in December 2000 just three days after Christmas. The family is not entirely homeless though. With the insurance money from their destroyed home they purchased a one acre lot located on Hunter Brook Road in South Newfane in the fall of 2001. They also purchased a second hand mobile home from a woman in Shaftsbury to place onto their new lot. This mobile home was well kept and within the O'Dell's budget. The previous owner was happy to have the mobile home taken off her hands because she needed it removed in order to replace it with her new one.

Patricia found a company in New Hampshire willing to transport the mobile home to S. Newfane for a fee of $950.00 but the company had difficulty getting the home onto the lot. The mobile home continues to sit at the end of the O'Dell's driveway where it was left in the late fall of 2001. Plans are underway to connect the mobile home with the property by a group of concerned citizens who have taken the initiative to get the project done at no cost to the O'Dell family. The goal is to get the mobile home installed by Thanksgiving so the O'Dell's will once again be able to live in comfort and together as a family.

The O'Dell family purchased their S. Newfane lot as is meaning they had to remove the dilapidated mobile home and addition that was already on the property. These structures had been empty for several years and had been vandalized. There was also an abandoned car on the lot that needed to be hauled away. The O'Dell family went to work and dismantled both structures leaving huge piles of materials they intended to recycle into small structures for their pets and livestock. Mrs. O'Dell's goat would provide her with fresh milk since she was unable to tolerate cow's milk and the family would have fresh eggs and meat from their flock of chickens.

Unfortunately, a few members of the S. Newfane community decided to intervene in the O'Dell's plans and progress. According to a Newfane selectboard meeting on January 1, 2002, line 7B, item #4 a "motion was made by R. Marek and seconded by F. Bacon to have the Town Constable and the Windham County Sheriff's Department work together to file the necessary paper work to bring charges of cruelty and abuse against Patricia O'Dell and to have the animals removed from Ms. O'Dell's control. Unanimous. The Windham County Humane Society has home for all of the animals; dogs, cats, chickens and a goat."

While the O'Dell's were working to prepare there property and establish their new home they were living temporarily in a homeless shelter in Bennington. They traveled the distance of 38 miles each day to there secluded wooded lot located on a dirt road to feed and care for their animals they had built temporary shelter for. Since they were not allowed to have pets or livestock at the shelter they felt it best the animals remain on their new land. Apparently town officials were entering the O'Dell property without authority or permission to do so according to Mrs. O'Dell. At some point those authorities, without a search warrant and without warning simply removed the O'Dell's animals from their property when the O'Dell's were away.

According to another Newfane selectboard meeting on February, 7, 2002, line 7B, item #2 "R. Marek questioned what may happen if the amount due to the Windham County Humane Society if the alleged owner of the animals, Patricia O'Dell, does not pay for the housing and other services provided by the WCHS. Suggestions were made but no conclusions were reached at this time." According to Mrs. O'Dell her animals were never abused or neglected and the town had no right to enter her property illegally and seize her animals. She has since acquired the paperwork from federal court and plans to file a 'Notice of Claim' against the Newfane Town Selectboard, the Town Constable, the Windham County Sheriff's Department and the Windham County Humane Society for $10,000,000.00 and she fully intends to send the town a bill for the value of her animals.

A work crew will arrive at the O'Dell property in S. Newfane on Saturday, October 19 at 8:00 am to remove the unwanted materials and metal framing from the old mobile home. The old car will also be towed away along with remnants of the dismantled addition. Once this is done the new mobile home can be pulled up to the lot and set into place. The plumbing, water and electric will eventually be reestablished. This work is being done by volunteers from Vermont, New York, New Hampshire and Massachusetts who will donate their time, money and materials for the project at no cost to the O'Dell family. These volunteers include former homeless people, home educators, politicians, ministers, off-duty police officers, mothers, fathers, teenagers, youngsters, contractors, veterans and others. According to one of the organizers the work crew is not a formal organization but are a group of caring, concerned citizens who have seen the need to assist a family that is struggling to stay together and improve themselves. They welcome anyone who wishes to join them in this effort by simply showing up at the property this coming Saturday. They also want the media to know they are welcome as well.

DOE Prevents Christian Home Education

According to first hand accounts SRS is using the O'Dell's homeless situation as an excuse to keep the children in their custody. SRS is also acting on an order from the Vermont Department of Education for a charge of 'educational neglect' stemming from a Home Study Hearing held November 20, 2001 for Patricia O'Dell. According to written documentation surrounding this hearing Mrs. O'Dell established her right as a Christian home educator to homeschool her children without state or local interference and that she was providing her children with more than a minimum course of study as required by state regulations. According to documentation several state witnesses accused Mrs. O'Dell of having 'standards' and expectations that were too high for her children.

When Mrs. O'Dell first began to homeschool her children she received what some might call 'approval' from the Vermont Department of Education's Home Study Consultant Natalie Casco. According to law, however, 'approval' is not needed to homeschool in Vermont, nor are there any qualifications necessary to homeschool your children. Mrs. O'Dell is a homemaker and has a high school diploma from Mt. Anthony Union High School in Bennington. Mr. O'Dell dropped out of school in the eleventh grade and is on disability for a physical problem. A parent wishing to homeschool their child need only send in an 'enrollment notification' along with a course of study covering the six basic topics and proof of screening showing the child has no impairments. A child is automatically enrolled at that time but the state can call a hearing to determine whether or not the application is complete. The key word here is 'notification'.

The state statute also reads "a person having the control of a child between the ages of six and sixteen shall cause the child to attend an approved public school, an approved recognized independent school or a home study program for the full number of days for which that school is held...." The key word here appears to be 'a' home study program, not the VT DOE's home study program. Mrs. O'Dell states that her children attend their homeschool 365 days a year. They have never been tardy or absent, since they can homeschool anywhere, anytime, even when they are with relatives or friends. In public school her children were accused by staff members as having behavior problems. In their homeschool Mrs. O'Dell says the behavior of her children is not a problem for her.

Mrs. O'Dell's children appear to be happy, healthy, normal, rambunctious children who enjoy their freedom to choose what they like to learn and learn best in the loving, secure, Christian environment that Mrs. O'Dell provides for them. They use few workbooks and almost no text books. The use reading books including classic stories and do many hands-on learning which Mrs. O'Dell says works best for all her children. Mrs. O'Dell finds little need for testing because she can see their day to day progress since she lives with them. When the need arises to concentrate more on a subject or area of interest Mrs. O'Dell takes the time to do that and will give that particular child more attention than the others. The children learn from each other as well, helping each other with reading, math or chores.

When Mrs. O'Dell feels the need for support or assistance she calls on several others in her homeschooling community for help. Because of the lack of funding and their homelessness that community has come forward and established a fund for the O'Dell children at A Teacher's Closet in downtown Rutland, a teaching/learning material supply store. The O'Dell children were all provided with book bags filled with materials, supplies and books that can be used anywhere they may be including in the car, at a campsite or in a motel. Mrs. O'Dell says that due to the lack of education on the part of the public school system she has had to do much remedial work with her three older children. Her youngest had never been to public school until SRS intervened by taking the children. SRS with the VT DOE's blessings have place Mrs. O'Dell's three youngest children into public school against her wishes. Her oldest son, Andrew, is presently not in the physical custody of SRS.

Since the taking the children by SRS from Mrs. O'Dell's custody on September 13 she has discovered her three daughters have been subjected to blood tests, physical examinations, x-rays, psychological testing, and counseling, all against their will and hers. Both she and the girls have been denied their right to freely exercise their religion and SRS is withholding the affections of Mrs. O'Dell from her daughters as a tool to get the children to cooperate with them. Mrs. O'Dell was only allowed two one-hour supervised visits with her daughters each week until her arrest yesterday. Now her children will not be able to see her at all while she sits and waits in the S. Burlington prison.

Mrs. O'Dell says the first year Natalie Casco 'approved' her homeschooling they made her agree to keep two of her children in special education classes at the local school. However, Mrs. O'Dell found this burdensome and her children were being abused and bullied whenever they were on school property, sometimes even by the teachers in charge of their care and well-being. At other times the teachers themselves would actually do the work for the O'Dell children just to show they were making progress under their tutelage.

The second year Mrs. O'Dell homeschooled she chose to withdraw her children from special education classes, which is her prerogative according to the VT Supreme Court ruling in the Karen Maple case (May 2000). After much research and discussion with other homeschoolers Mrs. O'Dell also sights the 1920's Education Trilogy (Meyer v. Nebraska, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, Farrington v. Tokushige as well as Wisconsin v. Yoder in 1972) as supporting her constitutional right to homeschool and to provide a Christian education for her children. Things were fine in her W. Haven home and the local school didn't really bother her until her home burned to the ground just after Christmas. Within two months of the fire and with no place to live the Fair Haven Elementary School principal, Gloria Moulton, began pursuing the O'Dell family with the threat of SRS intervention. According to Mrs. O'Dell the harassment and persecution continues to this day. Mrs. O'Dell's present incarceration for pursuing a Christian home education for her four children appears to attest to that fact.


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To: Truant Mom; RGSpincich; Cultural Jihad
Why, just buy my book about how sui juris works (but only in courtrooms where the flag doesn't have a gold fringe on it) for only $39.99, and you too can be free of the tyrannical government!
321 posted on 10/24/2002 8:26:20 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
you too can be free of the tyrannical government!

It's the bible for those incarcerated in the Oregon State Penitentiary system.

322 posted on 10/24/2002 8:37:49 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"I am against homeschooling for the nation as a whole because I simply do not believe the vast majority of parents are capable of it."

It doesn't matter if you are 'against' it or not. Every U.S. citizen has the right to do it, including Mrs. O'Dell. (1920's Education Trilogy--U.S. Sumpreme Court)

"There is no possible way my parents, for example, could have given me the education available through the public schools. My mom was raising 7 sons how could she have taught adv. chemistry or physics or even English? This is not a unique story."

My momma raised 11 children plus 6 foster children while working a 300 acre farm/ranch and we learned more from her and my dad than in all the years of public schooling. Public school is NOT the only place to learn adv. chemistry, physics or English and most home educating parents know this.

"Many teachers come home exhausted every day from teaching."

And they have all summer in which to rest up!

"They have given their all to their pupils. How could such efforts be duplicated by those who are working another job, taking care of their households?"

IT'S CALLED PARENTING!!!

"If the majority of parents had one stop working an outside job to home school the costs to the nation would be astronomical and cause an economic collapse."

Obviously, you failed public school economics. Home educators are saving taxpayers millions of dollars each year by not becoming a burden on school budgets, unlike those who place their children into forced public schooling. Teachers collect yearly salaries for 9 months worth of work and school administrators are pulling down $70,000.00-$90,000.00 a year, some are making over six figures.

"It also appears to me a case of trying to escape from the world and a form of hermitry."

The only 'escapism' and 'hermitry' I see here is your head because it is all alone while it is stuck up your arse.

"As I have asked others- would you want this woman to teach YOUR child?"

If I thought she had something to offer my children, yes I would have her teach them. The point is that it is my constitional right to do just that and no one like you is going to prevent me from making just such a decision.

I have also chosen to NOT allow anyone even remotely associated with the public school system to come anywhere near my children, for teaching purposes or otherwise. I find them too ignorant, immoral and lacking in abilities. My home education program is far less structured than Mrs. O'Dell's and my 15 year old daughter has already acquired 4 college credits at Bennington College. My son advanced 4 grade levels in reading in just 1 year.

I can only conclude from your rantings and steadfastness to this country's failing public school system that you are jealous of home educators who get better results from their students without a college degree, educational theory baggage, adv. chemistry, or adv. whatever! I strongly suspect you may even be a former (or present) school administrator or are married to someone closely connected to public schooling.

323 posted on 10/24/2002 8:51:52 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Ooooooo! Do I detect a bit of softening here?
324 posted on 10/24/2002 8:57:03 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Truant Mom
I have also chosen to NOT allow anyone even remotely associated with the public school system to come anywhere near my children, for teaching purposes or otherwise. I find them too ignorant, immoral and lacking in abilities. My home education program is far less structured than Mrs. O'Dell's and my 15 year old daughter has already acquired 4 college credits at Bennington College.

Uh, the public school system is immoral and yet you hold out credits from one of them as proof of accomplishment?

It's great what you are doing with your kids, I guess you followed the rules.

325 posted on 10/24/2002 8:58:52 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Their right to a decent education...

You're outing yourself. The only people I know who push for an inherent 'right to a decent state-run education' are hardcore activist liberals.

326 posted on 10/24/2002 9:08:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: justshutupandtakeit
It appears that most of the vehement defenders of yahoos are not terribly well educated themselves which further reduces any faith in their views on this subject.

This arrogant assumption you make is a perfect illustration of your tendency to make assertions based on little to no actual knowledge on your part.

327 posted on 10/24/2002 9:12:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"I excuse no abuses by the State or Local authorities in any matter. That has not happened here."

Wanna bet!

"This miserable woman has been led into great difficulty by listening to someone who believes contempt of court is a "right."

Where are you getting this crap from? What makes you think Mrs. O'Dell is miserable? I know her personally and she seems far more determined to maintain her constitutional rights than being concerned with what you think about her.

"She has jeopardized her family and herself by doing so and demonstrated a disastrous lack of judgment. Why?"

She will jeopardize her constitutional rights, and that of her children, far greater if she complies with the unconstitutional and illegal demands of the public schools and the VT DOE.

328 posted on 10/24/2002 9:16:51 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Is there 'anyone' you don't like?
329 posted on 10/24/2002 9:24:04 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: sheltonmac
This cannot be REDUCED to an economic equation but it must be EVALUATED in economic and other terms in order to understand its impact. There are many notorious ironies in economics wherein something individually positive produces negative for the general economy. It is good for individuals to save but should they multiply their saving rate by 10 it would cause the economy to collapse because of the collapse in consumption.

Those exceptions you list are valid but do not obviate the fact that should large numbers of people withdraw from the laborforce (for any reason) it would have huge negative economic impact.

Public education is and has been a necessary feature of modern life that is all I am maintaining. There are problems with it from several perspective but it cannot be dispensed with and for the vast majority of students it provides good educations. Exaggerations of the worthlessness of public education will be disputed by me should I feel inclined and most of what I read here is just that.

I don't "make a case" for anything including public education in the face of contrary evidence but also will not agree merely to be politically correct when that evidence is sketchy and misleading.

No one can have honest doubts about the universality of home education to you? All doubters can only have a hidden agenda?
330 posted on 10/24/2002 9:28:13 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
"I am not an educator and never have been. It is too much work, too much grief from idiot parents and too little pay for me to indulge in."

Idiot parents?! You mean all those who were forced to attend public schooling since the late 1800's creating a vicious cycle of ignorance and conformity on top of ignorance and conformity in generation after generation of public school graduates?!

Having a college degree (or several of them) DOES NOT make someone SMART!

331 posted on 10/24/2002 9:33:20 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Truant Mom
MY rantings? And your semi-hysterical screeds are what?

Most of this last one can be safely ignored if content is important however I do rate it highly on the emotional scale, a 10 for sure.

Yeah, I'll bet Mom and Dad really did a good job teaching you calculus and French and chemistry. Sorry you had such a miserable public school experience and learned so little. That often happens when one doesn't do the work or can't believe "I'll ever use this."

The only time there is an economic plus for society through home schooling is when one parent is already staying home and not working. At present this is a small minority of the married population. Thus, any time one quits a job it reduces total income for the family and the society as a whole. Most h.s.ers just say "I don't care." Thus, if you quit a $70,000 job to home school two kids then the cost for each is $35,000 per kid in forgone income. Or $7,000 job $3,500 per kid. If your ability to understand other subjects is as limited as your understanding of economics I suggest you do some serious study before embarassing yourself. I realize that the h.s. movement appears to believe that actual knowledge of a subject is irrelevent if not a outright liability.

No in this case it is PARENTING and TEACHING. They are not the same thing.

Won't have to worry about "adv. anything" from you I am sure though you are advanced in defensive misinterpretation and jumping to false conclusions. My late wife taught in a Chicago public school and every student she came into contact with loved her and she them. Other than that I have no connection to the public school system.

Why do you zealots not accept the fact that there are many legitimate questions that one can have about the impact and nature of h.s.ing? Why do doubters get attacked and called names "fascist" "communist" "socialist" even when the name callers don't even know what those words mean? If such defensiveness and ignorance is bandied about so readily are we supposed to conclude that these people would be less misinformed and biased when teaching their children?
332 posted on 10/24/2002 9:48:34 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: EternalVigilance
It looks as though your reading comprehension is as limited as your political understanding or do you just like to set up strawmen and knock them down for fun? I'll bet you're a great teacher of civics. LoL.
333 posted on 10/24/2002 9:50:53 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Truant Mom
Is there anyone I don't like? Sorry, I don't understand your question.
334 posted on 10/24/2002 9:51:50 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: southern rock
Justshutup.... says:

"I am not an educator and never have been. It is too much work, too much grief from idiot parents and too little pay for me to indulge in."

I think I've finally figured out 'justshutup's' problem. He says his dead wife and present girl friend were and are educators. Sounds to me they came/come home night after night from their workplace with their panties in a knot bitching and moaning about 'idiot parents', 'too little pay' and such. Maybe 'justshutup' can't get those panties 'untwisted' and he's found himself in need of a good 'massage' or something. Obviously, he's not finding any satisfaction from all his books in his home library. :-)

335 posted on 10/24/2002 9:51:58 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: EternalVigilance
It is not an assumption merely an observation and inference.
336 posted on 10/24/2002 9:52:56 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Truant Mom
Listening to whacky advice rarely comes to a good end as we see in this case.
337 posted on 10/24/2002 9:53:59 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Truant Mom
Madam you are only getting on slippier and slippier slopes. Women in my life have loved their jobs and loved me loving them not that it is any of your business.

Is this the way h.s.ers defend their positions by libeling the Infidels?

If you want a full discussion of my sexual life email me and I will provide all the details you wish.
338 posted on 10/24/2002 10:00:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Truant Mom
Yes, idiot parents. Those who believe their kids can do no wrong, who should get A while doing C work, who are dumb as a box of rocks but think they know more than the teacher, those who threaten the teacher because Little Rashaan had to be disciplined.

It used to be that if you were disciplined in school further punishment awaited you at home. Now it only results in defensive attacks from the idiot parents or lawsuits from those whose "constitutional rights" have been violated.
339 posted on 10/24/2002 10:04:55 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: RGSpincich
"You preconceived notions are blurring your vision. I have nothing bad to say about homeschooling. The mom here has made some mistakes and then been misled by an unqualified advocate giving legal advice. The mom is in jail and without her kids because of Cindy Wade, no other reason."

Prove it!

I know who you are and I know your agenda. It isn't working here, nor is it working on the other post/website as well. Your false accusations are not working to change the minds of people or to distort the facts.

340 posted on 10/24/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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