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VT Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!
The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter | 10/17/02 | Cindy Wade

Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom

Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!

by Cindy Wade

Source: The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter (reprint permission is hereby granted by the publisher to any and all other news agencies and their readers or viewers)

October 17, 2002

On Wednesday, October 16, Patricia L. O'Dell, 34, of S. Newfane, was arrested at 3:05 pm at the Bennington District Court in Bennington, Vermont for contempt of court. Mrs. O'Dell had been cited into court yesterday morning for refusing to submit to fingerprinting and a photograph for police files.

Mrs. O'Dell was ordered to submit to this procedure on October 7 at another arraignment hearing for 'custodial interference' and 'impeding an officer' as part of her release conditions. That condition involved Mrs. O'Dell going to the Bennington police station within 5 days of her release. On the following Friday, October 11, four days later, Mrs. O'Dell contacted U.S. Attorney Brian Marthage in Bennington through an advocate to inform him she wished to turn herself in because she was still refusing to have the prints and photos taken. Marthage informed the advocate that the courts are closed over the weekend and according to his calculations the fifth day would be Monday, October 14. Mrs. O'Dell waited the weekend and all day Monday until 5 pm. On the morning of October 15 she arrived at the police station to turn herself in and still refused to submit to the fingerprinting and photograph. She was promptly given a citation to appear in District Court the following morning at 11:30 am.

Mrs. O'Dell arrived at District Court at 11:30 am and was told her case had been moved to 12:30 pm. Mrs. O'Dell was finally called into the court room at approximately 2:30 pm where she represented herself and entered a plea of 'not guilty' to the charge. When questioned by Judge Howard about her refusal to submit to being photographed and fingerprinted Mrs. O'Dell informed him she believes a person is innocent until proven guilty and the procedure violates her rights. After hearing testimony from the prosecutor who expressed his concern for Mrs. O'Dell's ongoing contempt and that she basically "holds the keys to her own jail cell", Judge David Howard ordered a 'show cause' hearing be scheduled for the following week. Mrs. O'Dell was then released and presented with the conditions which she was expected to sign. Upon reading the conditions Mrs. O'Dell found difficulty in agreeing with the requirement that she abide by Family Court orders. One such order is that she turn over her 15 year old homeschooling son to state custody. Mrs. O'Dell refuses to do that because she feels strongly that it would compromise her religious beliefs and her son's Christian education. She also fears he would be subjected to abuse in the hands of SRS (Social Rehabilitative Services).

Upon Mrs. O'Dell's final refusal and a warning from the deputy sheriff that she would be taken into custody if she did not sign, she was quickly escorted from the court lobby to a small holding room where she was searched and relieved of her wrist watch and wedding band. She was place in hand cuffs attached to a leather belt around her waist and her ankles were secured with cuffs and a length of metal chain. These were placed on her to prepare her for transport by the Bennington County Sheriff's department to the Chittenden Regional Corrections Facility at 7 Farrell Street in South Burlington, Vermont.

It was brought to the attention of the attending sheriffs that they needed to take special care with Mrs. O'Dell's right wrist and hand which were wrapped in a support bandage. Mrs. O'Dell says this injury was a result of state trooper Jesse Robson's actions on Friday, September 13 when he tackled Mrs. O'Dell to the ground at the home of Mrs. Pat Stewart on Rocky Lane. Mrs. Stewart is Mrs. O'Dell's mother. Robson allegedly then placed his knee in Mrs. O'Dell's back and cuffed her hands behind her back. Officer Robson then tightened his grip on her arm while twisting it in an attempt to prevent her from shouting to her family members to not let the other officers into her mother's home without a search warrant, according to Mrs. O'Dell. Robson was there that day with several other officers to take Mrs. O'Dell's four children into state custody for what he describes in his affidavit as "The basis for the children being taken into custody was educational neglect."

Mrs. O'Dell also accused Officer Robson of pulling her by the hair and squeezing her face with his hand at the time of this incident. When Mrs. O'Dell was taken into custody she claims she was never read her Miranda rights although Robson questioned her extensively and alone in the cruiser and at the Shaftsbury barracks. She says she also suspects the reason why she was not photographed when she was first arrested was because Robson left marks on her face and those marks would have shown up in the photograph. Robson was unable to take Mrs. O'Dell's fingerprints because she was suffering pain from Robson's alleged abuse that caused injury to her right hand and wrist.

Mrs. O'Dell sought medical treatment at the Southwestern Vermont Medical Center at around 12:20 am once SRS took possession of her three daughter and she was released from custody. Her arm was wrapped and placed in a sling by attending physician Dr. G. Pellerin. According to the medical report Mrs. O'Dell had a hand injury, sprained wrist and contusions. On Saturday, October 14 a highly visible thumb size contusion could be seen on Mrs. O'Dell's upper inside left arm where she alleges Robson grabbed her. The marks on her face were no longer noticeable.

Besides the alleged abuse by Officer Robson there is a huge discrepancy in the times of the arrival of the police officers and the time the search warrant was signed. According to Officer Robson and Sergeant Lloyd N. Dean, another state police officer at the scene, they arrived at approximately 4:15 or 4:39 pm. The search warrant was not signed by Judge Howard until 6:35 pm. This would show the officers entered onto the Stewart property without the proper warrant. According to Mrs. O'Dell's family members the officers were told more than once they needed a search warrant to enter the property. It was decided by Dean that he would leave to obtain the search warrant. Family members also say the back door to the kitchen was kicked in by two officers just prior to anyone actually being handed the search warrant. The search warrant specifically says "This warrant may (not) be executed without knocking and announcing the presence of law enforcement officers and their purpose." Neither the word 'may' or 'not' were either circled, underlined or crossed out. The requirement for the serving officer to knock and announce is a federal law.

Prior to Dean obtaining the search warrant O'Dell's youngest daughter, Elizabeth, age 8, was chased screaming through the wooded lot near the Stewart home for some distance before she "just disappeared", as her mother stated. This was of great concern to both Mr. and Mrs. O'Dell because just that morning Mr. O'Dell had been squirrel hunting in that same wooded area and he warned his wife to not let the children play in them for fear of them getting shot by hunters he saw there. Mrs. O'Dell says she was terrified for her daughter's safety because the five police officers who were chasing her were showing little, if any, regard for the hunting taking place in those woods.

O'Dell Family Find Themselves Homeless

The O'Dell family has been living in their car, in motels and have camped out in warmer weather since they lost their West Haven, Vermont home to a fire in December 2000 just three days after Christmas. The family is not entirely homeless though. With the insurance money from their destroyed home they purchased a one acre lot located on Hunter Brook Road in South Newfane in the fall of 2001. They also purchased a second hand mobile home from a woman in Shaftsbury to place onto their new lot. This mobile home was well kept and within the O'Dell's budget. The previous owner was happy to have the mobile home taken off her hands because she needed it removed in order to replace it with her new one.

Patricia found a company in New Hampshire willing to transport the mobile home to S. Newfane for a fee of $950.00 but the company had difficulty getting the home onto the lot. The mobile home continues to sit at the end of the O'Dell's driveway where it was left in the late fall of 2001. Plans are underway to connect the mobile home with the property by a group of concerned citizens who have taken the initiative to get the project done at no cost to the O'Dell family. The goal is to get the mobile home installed by Thanksgiving so the O'Dell's will once again be able to live in comfort and together as a family.

The O'Dell family purchased their S. Newfane lot as is meaning they had to remove the dilapidated mobile home and addition that was already on the property. These structures had been empty for several years and had been vandalized. There was also an abandoned car on the lot that needed to be hauled away. The O'Dell family went to work and dismantled both structures leaving huge piles of materials they intended to recycle into small structures for their pets and livestock. Mrs. O'Dell's goat would provide her with fresh milk since she was unable to tolerate cow's milk and the family would have fresh eggs and meat from their flock of chickens.

Unfortunately, a few members of the S. Newfane community decided to intervene in the O'Dell's plans and progress. According to a Newfane selectboard meeting on January 1, 2002, line 7B, item #4 a "motion was made by R. Marek and seconded by F. Bacon to have the Town Constable and the Windham County Sheriff's Department work together to file the necessary paper work to bring charges of cruelty and abuse against Patricia O'Dell and to have the animals removed from Ms. O'Dell's control. Unanimous. The Windham County Humane Society has home for all of the animals; dogs, cats, chickens and a goat."

While the O'Dell's were working to prepare there property and establish their new home they were living temporarily in a homeless shelter in Bennington. They traveled the distance of 38 miles each day to there secluded wooded lot located on a dirt road to feed and care for their animals they had built temporary shelter for. Since they were not allowed to have pets or livestock at the shelter they felt it best the animals remain on their new land. Apparently town officials were entering the O'Dell property without authority or permission to do so according to Mrs. O'Dell. At some point those authorities, without a search warrant and without warning simply removed the O'Dell's animals from their property when the O'Dell's were away.

According to another Newfane selectboard meeting on February, 7, 2002, line 7B, item #2 "R. Marek questioned what may happen if the amount due to the Windham County Humane Society if the alleged owner of the animals, Patricia O'Dell, does not pay for the housing and other services provided by the WCHS. Suggestions were made but no conclusions were reached at this time." According to Mrs. O'Dell her animals were never abused or neglected and the town had no right to enter her property illegally and seize her animals. She has since acquired the paperwork from federal court and plans to file a 'Notice of Claim' against the Newfane Town Selectboard, the Town Constable, the Windham County Sheriff's Department and the Windham County Humane Society for $10,000,000.00 and she fully intends to send the town a bill for the value of her animals.

A work crew will arrive at the O'Dell property in S. Newfane on Saturday, October 19 at 8:00 am to remove the unwanted materials and metal framing from the old mobile home. The old car will also be towed away along with remnants of the dismantled addition. Once this is done the new mobile home can be pulled up to the lot and set into place. The plumbing, water and electric will eventually be reestablished. This work is being done by volunteers from Vermont, New York, New Hampshire and Massachusetts who will donate their time, money and materials for the project at no cost to the O'Dell family. These volunteers include former homeless people, home educators, politicians, ministers, off-duty police officers, mothers, fathers, teenagers, youngsters, contractors, veterans and others. According to one of the organizers the work crew is not a formal organization but are a group of caring, concerned citizens who have seen the need to assist a family that is struggling to stay together and improve themselves. They welcome anyone who wishes to join them in this effort by simply showing up at the property this coming Saturday. They also want the media to know they are welcome as well.

DOE Prevents Christian Home Education

According to first hand accounts SRS is using the O'Dell's homeless situation as an excuse to keep the children in their custody. SRS is also acting on an order from the Vermont Department of Education for a charge of 'educational neglect' stemming from a Home Study Hearing held November 20, 2001 for Patricia O'Dell. According to written documentation surrounding this hearing Mrs. O'Dell established her right as a Christian home educator to homeschool her children without state or local interference and that she was providing her children with more than a minimum course of study as required by state regulations. According to documentation several state witnesses accused Mrs. O'Dell of having 'standards' and expectations that were too high for her children.

When Mrs. O'Dell first began to homeschool her children she received what some might call 'approval' from the Vermont Department of Education's Home Study Consultant Natalie Casco. According to law, however, 'approval' is not needed to homeschool in Vermont, nor are there any qualifications necessary to homeschool your children. Mrs. O'Dell is a homemaker and has a high school diploma from Mt. Anthony Union High School in Bennington. Mr. O'Dell dropped out of school in the eleventh grade and is on disability for a physical problem. A parent wishing to homeschool their child need only send in an 'enrollment notification' along with a course of study covering the six basic topics and proof of screening showing the child has no impairments. A child is automatically enrolled at that time but the state can call a hearing to determine whether or not the application is complete. The key word here is 'notification'.

The state statute also reads "a person having the control of a child between the ages of six and sixteen shall cause the child to attend an approved public school, an approved recognized independent school or a home study program for the full number of days for which that school is held...." The key word here appears to be 'a' home study program, not the VT DOE's home study program. Mrs. O'Dell states that her children attend their homeschool 365 days a year. They have never been tardy or absent, since they can homeschool anywhere, anytime, even when they are with relatives or friends. In public school her children were accused by staff members as having behavior problems. In their homeschool Mrs. O'Dell says the behavior of her children is not a problem for her.

Mrs. O'Dell's children appear to be happy, healthy, normal, rambunctious children who enjoy their freedom to choose what they like to learn and learn best in the loving, secure, Christian environment that Mrs. O'Dell provides for them. They use few workbooks and almost no text books. The use reading books including classic stories and do many hands-on learning which Mrs. O'Dell says works best for all her children. Mrs. O'Dell finds little need for testing because she can see their day to day progress since she lives with them. When the need arises to concentrate more on a subject or area of interest Mrs. O'Dell takes the time to do that and will give that particular child more attention than the others. The children learn from each other as well, helping each other with reading, math or chores.

When Mrs. O'Dell feels the need for support or assistance she calls on several others in her homeschooling community for help. Because of the lack of funding and their homelessness that community has come forward and established a fund for the O'Dell children at A Teacher's Closet in downtown Rutland, a teaching/learning material supply store. The O'Dell children were all provided with book bags filled with materials, supplies and books that can be used anywhere they may be including in the car, at a campsite or in a motel. Mrs. O'Dell says that due to the lack of education on the part of the public school system she has had to do much remedial work with her three older children. Her youngest had never been to public school until SRS intervened by taking the children. SRS with the VT DOE's blessings have place Mrs. O'Dell's three youngest children into public school against her wishes. Her oldest son, Andrew, is presently not in the physical custody of SRS.

Since the taking the children by SRS from Mrs. O'Dell's custody on September 13 she has discovered her three daughters have been subjected to blood tests, physical examinations, x-rays, psychological testing, and counseling, all against their will and hers. Both she and the girls have been denied their right to freely exercise their religion and SRS is withholding the affections of Mrs. O'Dell from her daughters as a tool to get the children to cooperate with them. Mrs. O'Dell was only allowed two one-hour supervised visits with her daughters each week until her arrest yesterday. Now her children will not be able to see her at all while she sits and waits in the S. Burlington prison.

Mrs. O'Dell says the first year Natalie Casco 'approved' her homeschooling they made her agree to keep two of her children in special education classes at the local school. However, Mrs. O'Dell found this burdensome and her children were being abused and bullied whenever they were on school property, sometimes even by the teachers in charge of their care and well-being. At other times the teachers themselves would actually do the work for the O'Dell children just to show they were making progress under their tutelage.

The second year Mrs. O'Dell homeschooled she chose to withdraw her children from special education classes, which is her prerogative according to the VT Supreme Court ruling in the Karen Maple case (May 2000). After much research and discussion with other homeschoolers Mrs. O'Dell also sights the 1920's Education Trilogy (Meyer v. Nebraska, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, Farrington v. Tokushige as well as Wisconsin v. Yoder in 1972) as supporting her constitutional right to homeschool and to provide a Christian education for her children. Things were fine in her W. Haven home and the local school didn't really bother her until her home burned to the ground just after Christmas. Within two months of the fire and with no place to live the Fair Haven Elementary School principal, Gloria Moulton, began pursuing the O'Dell family with the threat of SRS intervention. According to Mrs. O'Dell the harassment and persecution continues to this day. Mrs. O'Dell's present incarceration for pursuing a Christian home education for her four children appears to attest to that fact.


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To: EternalVigilance
Main Entry: dé·jà vu
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Function: noun
Etymology: French, adjective, literally, already seen
Date: 1903
1 a : the illusion of remembering scenes and events when experienced for the first time b : a feeling that one has seen or heard something before
2 : something overly or unpleasantly familiar
301 posted on 10/23/2002 11:03:00 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Yeah.
302 posted on 10/24/2002 1:03:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
spinwitch is janet reno!
303 posted on 10/24/2002 1:41:57 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To the people here knocking HSing and defending PS,

There are many, many people HSing their children today who are not fringe element, religious whackos. Some of us were the PS PTA moms who realized school is not what it used to be. I would suggest you do your homework. Anyone who doesn't see that since the 60,70 & 80's pS has been an exercise in turning our society into socialist robots, hasn't done much research. They are merely buying the NEA & Gov. propaganda. Not that I have much hope that any of you will take the time to look, but in the hope you aren't as closed minded as you seem by your posts, here are some places to start.

http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2002/aug02/NEA-Resolutions.shtml

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pages/reviews4.html

http://sovereignty.freedom.org/timeline.html

http://tip.psychology.org/skinner.html

http://www.steelonsteel.com/articles/workers5_97.html

http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/ritalin/ritalin.html

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/may/17/homeschool.htm (read all her stuff at this site)

http://www.buildfreedom.com/portal/category.php/238
304 posted on 10/24/2002 5:34:29 AM PDT by xandy
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To: xandy
I haven't noticed anybody knocking HSing. Quite the contrary most are knocking PSing. It's ok to knock Ms. O'Dell and Ms. Wade they are doing HSing a grave disservice by their actions and false representations.
305 posted on 10/24/2002 6:12:45 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
"false representations"

Show me!

306 posted on 10/24/2002 6:51:29 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Truant Mom
Post #221
307 posted on 10/24/2002 7:07:01 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
"If Patricia O'Dell loved her children as much, her family would be intact."

Prove to me that Mrs. O'Dell does or does NOT love her children!

"Cindy Wade is encouraging and advising O'Dell to violate court orders, break agreements with DOE and basically advising O'Dell to place her family in jeopardy."

Show me where Cindy Wade encouraged and advised all this!

"It is O'Dell and her family who pay for Wades's idealism."

Please show me what you mean by 'Wade's idealism'!

308 posted on 10/24/2002 7:33:43 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: CyberCowboy777
My "bias" is toward accuracy and that is not available from most of those who get incensed if I question the statements made regarding home schooling. Since I understand Statistics I understand how they can be manipulated and misinterpreted to prove a point and the point is that home schooling population is not the same population as that schooled by the public schools. This means comparision of them is dicey without great care in eliminating disparate factors between the population.

However, merely from a financial perspective h.s.ing should be superior merely from the fact that it can cost vastly more in a real sense than public education. If a parent stops working a 40G/yr job to school two kids, the cost of doing that is 20G/kid which is at least twice that expended on public ed. kids. In addition, there is the greatly increase concern in success and the willingness to go to extra lengths which is not possible in public education. But as a social policy h.s.ing is not something a country should advocate.

I also cannot escape the conclusion that the advocates of home schooling generally have a wildly anti-government attitude. It is rare to find the h.s.ing community ever admit that some parents are totally incapable of educating anyone or that a parent is wrong even when there is abundant evidence of mental incapacity, unwillingness to even minimally cooperate with the laws or outright criminal neglect of children. It is always the "stormtroopers" or "jack-booted thugs" of the Evil state. This does not incline the thoughtful towards taking such people seriously.

Virtually every suburb around Chicago has excellent high schools and even within the city itself there are many excellent schools. This is a fact. I also feel badly that so many people have had negative educational experiences unlike mine. Teachers had a large positive impact on my life and I still remember them from decades ago. Apparantly those around here who excoriate public education with such glee never had such good people in their lives to help expand their world view and deepen their understanding.

As indicated earlier education is like the weather- everybody complains about it though in the case of education they keep trying to do something about it. Can it be improved? Hell yes. Will it satisfy everybody, any body? Not likely. However, if too many talented, concerned parents pull out of it all together then it will be much harder to reform.

Rejection of the Division of Labor and professionalism is not a good thing in general. It is very costly and rarely can be done as well.(i.e. you can make your own suit but it will not be a good as that made by a tailor and will be far costlier in real terms. You can brew your own beer but it will not be as good as Pilsner-Urquell.) If huge numbers of parents h.s.ed the cost would be enormous and great economic difficulties would ensue. In addition, I am concerned that isolation of people and withdrawal can lead to many problems including diminished social cohesion and the cultivation of bizarre idiosyncresies.

Before you condemn my "bias" on this issue I suggest you review your own posts to me. You think they show no bias?
309 posted on 10/24/2002 7:39:25 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: sheltonmac
Apparently the concept of "opportunity cost" is unfamiliar to you. Familiarize yourself with it before you get in further over your head.
310 posted on 10/24/2002 7:41:45 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: RGSpincich
And Cindy's response to Tim Terhune:

"Nevertheless, this does not make this a homeschooling issue."

If this is not about homeschooling then what is it about? More specifically, is this about Patricia's constitutional right to homeschool?

"Just because someone does not have their children in public or private school does not automatically make them homeschooling by default."

Like you? You are not enrolled with the DOE's home study program. Why aren't they after you for educational neglect? What about equal protection under the law? Someone could suggest that you are not 'homeschooling by default' as you say.

"I will not suggest what Patricia is guilty of or what constitutional law she broke as you demand."

Show me the constitutional law that Patricia broke, Tim! What exactly is she 'guilty' of? You can't, can you.

"However I can say that by your own evidence she had her right to homeschool terminated when the DOE called her to her second home study hearing last year."

How can someone lose their constitutional right? How can the VT DOE take away Patricia's constitutional right to homeschool? Are they that powerful? Or that corrupt? Let's face it folks, the VT DOE is corrupt and the home study unit is part of that corruption. No amount of appeals, VT Supreme Court decisions or constitutional rights make a bit of difference to these people.

When did Patricia have her 'first' home study hearing? I guess I missed that one. To my knowledge she only had one on November 20, 2001.

"You were her advocate then as now. Why didn’t you inform Patricia of the importance of appealing the hearing officer’s ruling to the Supreme Court? You knew from your experience with Karen Maple that that is the route to take if you think you are justified in opposing the hearing officer's ruling. Ignoring the “wheels of justice” when one doesn’t agree with their direction is to invite getting steamrolled, which is what is happening now to Patricia."

Like SRS and the VT DOE, you too are throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. So, it is OK for the VT DOE and SRS to 'steamroll' parents when they don't know the constitutional laws or can't afford a lawyer?

"PS. I like beans, send all you can spare. I am partial to Columbian dark roast at the moment."

If you plan to go into comedy I suggest you don't quit your day job, which is what? Making homeschoolers? Your comments are always so off the wall I wonder what else you ingest from Columbia. :-) (tongue in cheek)

Cindy

311 posted on 10/24/2002 7:43:29 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Spiff
It is very relevent. You would condemn her children to her incompetence but not your own? No child should have to suffer merely because their parent is a nutcase or nincompoop. Children have rights as well as their parents though apparently you are unaware of it. Their right to a decent education thrumps her alleged right to prevent it.
312 posted on 10/24/2002 7:46:02 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Making a suggestion like that cuts a little too close to home for many of these morons.

I feel sorry that they had such horrid educational experiences and never were able to learn from the wonderful teachers I have known. Those experiences have brightened my life for 50 yrs now and I still remember with fondness all my teachers even those who had to kick my @ss on occassion.

It appears that most of the vehement defenders of yahoos are not terribly well educated themselves which further reduces any faith in their views on this subject.
313 posted on 10/24/2002 7:52:29 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: RightOnline
Utter bullshit? You're telling me your state has no requirements for your home-schooling regimen? Not one test or form? Where do you live?
314 posted on 10/24/2002 8:09:59 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: RGSpincich
So, you know the O'Dell case well enough and you know Cindy Wade personally so you can make this accusation, right?!

Show me where Wade has practiced law and show me where she 'advised' Mrs. O'Dell to go to jail.

315 posted on 10/24/2002 8:15:32 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
If this mother was a Moslem, our liberal child protection/welfare system would have bend over backward to help them.
316 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:14 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: kitkat
I don't know about where you live, but in Minnesota, the foster homes are overflowing with black kids taken away from their neglectful mothers. There is apparently a shortage of black families to care for them, so they've taken to advertising on billboards and removing the married couple requirement. Single people are encouraged to adopt or act as foster parents.
317 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:36 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: Poohbah
You seem to have all the facts so please tell me how much money Cindy Wade has made from this case.
318 posted on 10/24/2002 8:17:52 AM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Truant Mom
Show me...Prove to me...

Sorry, doesn't work that way. You came here to solicit support for two individuals who got themselves into trouble while trying to cut corners. It snowballed from there into criminal matters. O'Dell had the ability to rectify the situation. Obviously Wade's presence did not help O'Dell and it is plain to see her misrepresentations probably gave O'Dell some false hopes.

99% of the other homeschoolers in VT. know how to go about the business of homeschooling without being put in jail and losing their kids. So I don't think Vt. has a major oppresive attitude towards homeschoolers. You need to prove to me that O'Dell and Wade are worthy of my support, you have not. I support the vast majority of the other homeschoolers who have the aptitude to successfully complete their task.

319 posted on 10/24/2002 8:20:56 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Please. If you really think this issue can be reduced to an economic equation, you are the one in over his head.

What about the benefits to the economy homeschooling could provide? You forget that every child educated at home saves the state many thousands of dollars per year. Many homeschooling parents are self-employed or work from home when they decide to homeschool. Many kids who are homeschooled were born into families that already had a stay-at-home parent. You are also overlooking the fact that the homeschooled kids who get a better education might be better equipped to enter the workplace than their government school counterparts.

You seem bent on making the case for socialized education. I would be really interested in knowing why.

320 posted on 10/24/2002 8:25:50 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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