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VT Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!
The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter | 10/17/02 | Cindy Wade

Posted on 10/21/2002 9:45:25 AM PDT by Truant Mom

Christian Homeschooling Mom Taken Away In Shackles!

by Cindy Wade

Source: The Curmudgeon: A Vermont Newsletter (reprint permission is hereby granted by the publisher to any and all other news agencies and their readers or viewers)

October 17, 2002

On Wednesday, October 16, Patricia L. O'Dell, 34, of S. Newfane, was arrested at 3:05 pm at the Bennington District Court in Bennington, Vermont for contempt of court. Mrs. O'Dell had been cited into court yesterday morning for refusing to submit to fingerprinting and a photograph for police files.

Mrs. O'Dell was ordered to submit to this procedure on October 7 at another arraignment hearing for 'custodial interference' and 'impeding an officer' as part of her release conditions. That condition involved Mrs. O'Dell going to the Bennington police station within 5 days of her release. On the following Friday, October 11, four days later, Mrs. O'Dell contacted U.S. Attorney Brian Marthage in Bennington through an advocate to inform him she wished to turn herself in because she was still refusing to have the prints and photos taken. Marthage informed the advocate that the courts are closed over the weekend and according to his calculations the fifth day would be Monday, October 14. Mrs. O'Dell waited the weekend and all day Monday until 5 pm. On the morning of October 15 she arrived at the police station to turn herself in and still refused to submit to the fingerprinting and photograph. She was promptly given a citation to appear in District Court the following morning at 11:30 am.

Mrs. O'Dell arrived at District Court at 11:30 am and was told her case had been moved to 12:30 pm. Mrs. O'Dell was finally called into the court room at approximately 2:30 pm where she represented herself and entered a plea of 'not guilty' to the charge. When questioned by Judge Howard about her refusal to submit to being photographed and fingerprinted Mrs. O'Dell informed him she believes a person is innocent until proven guilty and the procedure violates her rights. After hearing testimony from the prosecutor who expressed his concern for Mrs. O'Dell's ongoing contempt and that she basically "holds the keys to her own jail cell", Judge David Howard ordered a 'show cause' hearing be scheduled for the following week. Mrs. O'Dell was then released and presented with the conditions which she was expected to sign. Upon reading the conditions Mrs. O'Dell found difficulty in agreeing with the requirement that she abide by Family Court orders. One such order is that she turn over her 15 year old homeschooling son to state custody. Mrs. O'Dell refuses to do that because she feels strongly that it would compromise her religious beliefs and her son's Christian education. She also fears he would be subjected to abuse in the hands of SRS (Social Rehabilitative Services).

Upon Mrs. O'Dell's final refusal and a warning from the deputy sheriff that she would be taken into custody if she did not sign, she was quickly escorted from the court lobby to a small holding room where she was searched and relieved of her wrist watch and wedding band. She was place in hand cuffs attached to a leather belt around her waist and her ankles were secured with cuffs and a length of metal chain. These were placed on her to prepare her for transport by the Bennington County Sheriff's department to the Chittenden Regional Corrections Facility at 7 Farrell Street in South Burlington, Vermont.

It was brought to the attention of the attending sheriffs that they needed to take special care with Mrs. O'Dell's right wrist and hand which were wrapped in a support bandage. Mrs. O'Dell says this injury was a result of state trooper Jesse Robson's actions on Friday, September 13 when he tackled Mrs. O'Dell to the ground at the home of Mrs. Pat Stewart on Rocky Lane. Mrs. Stewart is Mrs. O'Dell's mother. Robson allegedly then placed his knee in Mrs. O'Dell's back and cuffed her hands behind her back. Officer Robson then tightened his grip on her arm while twisting it in an attempt to prevent her from shouting to her family members to not let the other officers into her mother's home without a search warrant, according to Mrs. O'Dell. Robson was there that day with several other officers to take Mrs. O'Dell's four children into state custody for what he describes in his affidavit as "The basis for the children being taken into custody was educational neglect."

Mrs. O'Dell also accused Officer Robson of pulling her by the hair and squeezing her face with his hand at the time of this incident. When Mrs. O'Dell was taken into custody she claims she was never read her Miranda rights although Robson questioned her extensively and alone in the cruiser and at the Shaftsbury barracks. She says she also suspects the reason why she was not photographed when she was first arrested was because Robson left marks on her face and those marks would have shown up in the photograph. Robson was unable to take Mrs. O'Dell's fingerprints because she was suffering pain from Robson's alleged abuse that caused injury to her right hand and wrist.

Mrs. O'Dell sought medical treatment at the Southwestern Vermont Medical Center at around 12:20 am once SRS took possession of her three daughter and she was released from custody. Her arm was wrapped and placed in a sling by attending physician Dr. G. Pellerin. According to the medical report Mrs. O'Dell had a hand injury, sprained wrist and contusions. On Saturday, October 14 a highly visible thumb size contusion could be seen on Mrs. O'Dell's upper inside left arm where she alleges Robson grabbed her. The marks on her face were no longer noticeable.

Besides the alleged abuse by Officer Robson there is a huge discrepancy in the times of the arrival of the police officers and the time the search warrant was signed. According to Officer Robson and Sergeant Lloyd N. Dean, another state police officer at the scene, they arrived at approximately 4:15 or 4:39 pm. The search warrant was not signed by Judge Howard until 6:35 pm. This would show the officers entered onto the Stewart property without the proper warrant. According to Mrs. O'Dell's family members the officers were told more than once they needed a search warrant to enter the property. It was decided by Dean that he would leave to obtain the search warrant. Family members also say the back door to the kitchen was kicked in by two officers just prior to anyone actually being handed the search warrant. The search warrant specifically says "This warrant may (not) be executed without knocking and announcing the presence of law enforcement officers and their purpose." Neither the word 'may' or 'not' were either circled, underlined or crossed out. The requirement for the serving officer to knock and announce is a federal law.

Prior to Dean obtaining the search warrant O'Dell's youngest daughter, Elizabeth, age 8, was chased screaming through the wooded lot near the Stewart home for some distance before she "just disappeared", as her mother stated. This was of great concern to both Mr. and Mrs. O'Dell because just that morning Mr. O'Dell had been squirrel hunting in that same wooded area and he warned his wife to not let the children play in them for fear of them getting shot by hunters he saw there. Mrs. O'Dell says she was terrified for her daughter's safety because the five police officers who were chasing her were showing little, if any, regard for the hunting taking place in those woods.

O'Dell Family Find Themselves Homeless

The O'Dell family has been living in their car, in motels and have camped out in warmer weather since they lost their West Haven, Vermont home to a fire in December 2000 just three days after Christmas. The family is not entirely homeless though. With the insurance money from their destroyed home they purchased a one acre lot located on Hunter Brook Road in South Newfane in the fall of 2001. They also purchased a second hand mobile home from a woman in Shaftsbury to place onto their new lot. This mobile home was well kept and within the O'Dell's budget. The previous owner was happy to have the mobile home taken off her hands because she needed it removed in order to replace it with her new one.

Patricia found a company in New Hampshire willing to transport the mobile home to S. Newfane for a fee of $950.00 but the company had difficulty getting the home onto the lot. The mobile home continues to sit at the end of the O'Dell's driveway where it was left in the late fall of 2001. Plans are underway to connect the mobile home with the property by a group of concerned citizens who have taken the initiative to get the project done at no cost to the O'Dell family. The goal is to get the mobile home installed by Thanksgiving so the O'Dell's will once again be able to live in comfort and together as a family.

The O'Dell family purchased their S. Newfane lot as is meaning they had to remove the dilapidated mobile home and addition that was already on the property. These structures had been empty for several years and had been vandalized. There was also an abandoned car on the lot that needed to be hauled away. The O'Dell family went to work and dismantled both structures leaving huge piles of materials they intended to recycle into small structures for their pets and livestock. Mrs. O'Dell's goat would provide her with fresh milk since she was unable to tolerate cow's milk and the family would have fresh eggs and meat from their flock of chickens.

Unfortunately, a few members of the S. Newfane community decided to intervene in the O'Dell's plans and progress. According to a Newfane selectboard meeting on January 1, 2002, line 7B, item #4 a "motion was made by R. Marek and seconded by F. Bacon to have the Town Constable and the Windham County Sheriff's Department work together to file the necessary paper work to bring charges of cruelty and abuse against Patricia O'Dell and to have the animals removed from Ms. O'Dell's control. Unanimous. The Windham County Humane Society has home for all of the animals; dogs, cats, chickens and a goat."

While the O'Dell's were working to prepare there property and establish their new home they were living temporarily in a homeless shelter in Bennington. They traveled the distance of 38 miles each day to there secluded wooded lot located on a dirt road to feed and care for their animals they had built temporary shelter for. Since they were not allowed to have pets or livestock at the shelter they felt it best the animals remain on their new land. Apparently town officials were entering the O'Dell property without authority or permission to do so according to Mrs. O'Dell. At some point those authorities, without a search warrant and without warning simply removed the O'Dell's animals from their property when the O'Dell's were away.

According to another Newfane selectboard meeting on February, 7, 2002, line 7B, item #2 "R. Marek questioned what may happen if the amount due to the Windham County Humane Society if the alleged owner of the animals, Patricia O'Dell, does not pay for the housing and other services provided by the WCHS. Suggestions were made but no conclusions were reached at this time." According to Mrs. O'Dell her animals were never abused or neglected and the town had no right to enter her property illegally and seize her animals. She has since acquired the paperwork from federal court and plans to file a 'Notice of Claim' against the Newfane Town Selectboard, the Town Constable, the Windham County Sheriff's Department and the Windham County Humane Society for $10,000,000.00 and she fully intends to send the town a bill for the value of her animals.

A work crew will arrive at the O'Dell property in S. Newfane on Saturday, October 19 at 8:00 am to remove the unwanted materials and metal framing from the old mobile home. The old car will also be towed away along with remnants of the dismantled addition. Once this is done the new mobile home can be pulled up to the lot and set into place. The plumbing, water and electric will eventually be reestablished. This work is being done by volunteers from Vermont, New York, New Hampshire and Massachusetts who will donate their time, money and materials for the project at no cost to the O'Dell family. These volunteers include former homeless people, home educators, politicians, ministers, off-duty police officers, mothers, fathers, teenagers, youngsters, contractors, veterans and others. According to one of the organizers the work crew is not a formal organization but are a group of caring, concerned citizens who have seen the need to assist a family that is struggling to stay together and improve themselves. They welcome anyone who wishes to join them in this effort by simply showing up at the property this coming Saturday. They also want the media to know they are welcome as well.

DOE Prevents Christian Home Education

According to first hand accounts SRS is using the O'Dell's homeless situation as an excuse to keep the children in their custody. SRS is also acting on an order from the Vermont Department of Education for a charge of 'educational neglect' stemming from a Home Study Hearing held November 20, 2001 for Patricia O'Dell. According to written documentation surrounding this hearing Mrs. O'Dell established her right as a Christian home educator to homeschool her children without state or local interference and that she was providing her children with more than a minimum course of study as required by state regulations. According to documentation several state witnesses accused Mrs. O'Dell of having 'standards' and expectations that were too high for her children.

When Mrs. O'Dell first began to homeschool her children she received what some might call 'approval' from the Vermont Department of Education's Home Study Consultant Natalie Casco. According to law, however, 'approval' is not needed to homeschool in Vermont, nor are there any qualifications necessary to homeschool your children. Mrs. O'Dell is a homemaker and has a high school diploma from Mt. Anthony Union High School in Bennington. Mr. O'Dell dropped out of school in the eleventh grade and is on disability for a physical problem. A parent wishing to homeschool their child need only send in an 'enrollment notification' along with a course of study covering the six basic topics and proof of screening showing the child has no impairments. A child is automatically enrolled at that time but the state can call a hearing to determine whether or not the application is complete. The key word here is 'notification'.

The state statute also reads "a person having the control of a child between the ages of six and sixteen shall cause the child to attend an approved public school, an approved recognized independent school or a home study program for the full number of days for which that school is held...." The key word here appears to be 'a' home study program, not the VT DOE's home study program. Mrs. O'Dell states that her children attend their homeschool 365 days a year. They have never been tardy or absent, since they can homeschool anywhere, anytime, even when they are with relatives or friends. In public school her children were accused by staff members as having behavior problems. In their homeschool Mrs. O'Dell says the behavior of her children is not a problem for her.

Mrs. O'Dell's children appear to be happy, healthy, normal, rambunctious children who enjoy their freedom to choose what they like to learn and learn best in the loving, secure, Christian environment that Mrs. O'Dell provides for them. They use few workbooks and almost no text books. The use reading books including classic stories and do many hands-on learning which Mrs. O'Dell says works best for all her children. Mrs. O'Dell finds little need for testing because she can see their day to day progress since she lives with them. When the need arises to concentrate more on a subject or area of interest Mrs. O'Dell takes the time to do that and will give that particular child more attention than the others. The children learn from each other as well, helping each other with reading, math or chores.

When Mrs. O'Dell feels the need for support or assistance she calls on several others in her homeschooling community for help. Because of the lack of funding and their homelessness that community has come forward and established a fund for the O'Dell children at A Teacher's Closet in downtown Rutland, a teaching/learning material supply store. The O'Dell children were all provided with book bags filled with materials, supplies and books that can be used anywhere they may be including in the car, at a campsite or in a motel. Mrs. O'Dell says that due to the lack of education on the part of the public school system she has had to do much remedial work with her three older children. Her youngest had never been to public school until SRS intervened by taking the children. SRS with the VT DOE's blessings have place Mrs. O'Dell's three youngest children into public school against her wishes. Her oldest son, Andrew, is presently not in the physical custody of SRS.

Since the taking the children by SRS from Mrs. O'Dell's custody on September 13 she has discovered her three daughters have been subjected to blood tests, physical examinations, x-rays, psychological testing, and counseling, all against their will and hers. Both she and the girls have been denied their right to freely exercise their religion and SRS is withholding the affections of Mrs. O'Dell from her daughters as a tool to get the children to cooperate with them. Mrs. O'Dell was only allowed two one-hour supervised visits with her daughters each week until her arrest yesterday. Now her children will not be able to see her at all while she sits and waits in the S. Burlington prison.

Mrs. O'Dell says the first year Natalie Casco 'approved' her homeschooling they made her agree to keep two of her children in special education classes at the local school. However, Mrs. O'Dell found this burdensome and her children were being abused and bullied whenever they were on school property, sometimes even by the teachers in charge of their care and well-being. At other times the teachers themselves would actually do the work for the O'Dell children just to show they were making progress under their tutelage.

The second year Mrs. O'Dell homeschooled she chose to withdraw her children from special education classes, which is her prerogative according to the VT Supreme Court ruling in the Karen Maple case (May 2000). After much research and discussion with other homeschoolers Mrs. O'Dell also sights the 1920's Education Trilogy (Meyer v. Nebraska, Pierce v. Society of Sisters, Farrington v. Tokushige as well as Wisconsin v. Yoder in 1972) as supporting her constitutional right to homeschool and to provide a Christian education for her children. Things were fine in her W. Haven home and the local school didn't really bother her until her home burned to the ground just after Christmas. Within two months of the fire and with no place to live the Fair Haven Elementary School principal, Gloria Moulton, began pursuing the O'Dell family with the threat of SRS intervention. According to Mrs. O'Dell the harassment and persecution continues to this day. Mrs. O'Dell's present incarceration for pursuing a Christian home education for her four children appears to attest to that fact.


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To: Liberty Teeth
Bernie Sanders probably believes it is good to eat 3 square meals a day too. Does that make it wrong?

My only crusade here is against those who adopt liars and nutcases and try to attack reasonable government actions wrt them.

It is true that I believe H.S. runs counter to the division of labor, MOST parents are incapable of teaching any subject other than rudimentarily, most diatribes against P.S.s are wildly inaccurate, and that home schooling has very high opportunity costs.

My own children were educated in public schools and private schools and I have no beef with eithers' education.
121 posted on 10/22/2002 10:03:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
This is Bernies state and he agrees with you and touts PS. Why not jump around his site or maybe even bring this situation to his attention? Just trying to help. No reason to get all bent out of shape, old man.

Of course, the series of links speak for themselves and it would require a little effort to go through them. I have read many of these articles and they do not reflect well on the school system as a whole. Just like this one lady does not reflect well on home schoolers as a whole.
122 posted on 10/22/2002 10:05:38 AM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Of course there are exceptions to the rule. The problem I have is that this case will get propped up and debated while others will not. There are situations right here in my county where parents cooperate with authorities and end up getting screwed. These stories go unreported or are never heard of.

We have a family friend who is going through a similar situation with an overzealous CPS worker. It is frustrating because they will go unheard. But the kooks, oh they are ripe for folks like you.
123 posted on 10/22/2002 10:10:14 AM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: AppyPappy
And I respond with Algore in a g-string giving a oral dissatation on all the inventions he is responsible for (in his mind) while you are strapped between Ted Kennedy and Tom Daschel
124 posted on 10/22/2002 10:15:49 AM PDT by SERE_DOC
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To: Wallace T.
In the mid-17th century there was a very small population in the Colonies and there is no doubt that church run schools (not home schools) were highly important in N.E. Public schools were created in that area after the power of the churches declined and took over that function. N.E. became the center of public schooling which grew slowly with the encouragement of the federal government in the new lands. N.E.'s literacy rates were an anomaly and it soon turned to public schools in any case by necessity. After that change N.E. remained the area of highest educational achievement.

Education in the South was never available for any but the sons of the wealthy and its educational deficit contributed to the defeat in the Civil War.

Contrary to your belief the electorate of the new nation was very restricted and the vast majority of citizens (particularly in the South) were not allowed to vote. There are many learned articles published in papers today which are never read or comprehended by the majority of readers. Such was also the case for the Federalist which were written in any case for the readers of NY another state with high educational attainment. The vast majority of Americans in 1788 never read one Federalist paper and an even smaller proportion wouldn't have understood it if they had done so.

There were public schools long before Horace Mann so you can forget trying to tie him to their creation. In any case he was reflecting a long and deeply held desire for public schools. This was the only way that large numbers of non-wealthy could be educated. If they were not educated they could not properly perform their duty to a Republic. Nor was his negative reaction to church control of schooling condemnable, Madison felt the same way. Why would one prefer to have local schools in the hands of one denomination? Or controlled by a supersitious and ignorant clergy? Most did not share the Presbyterian requirement that preachers have college degrees.

Nothing you have posted wrt the existence of public schools refutes my statement about the necessity of public education and its great success in our history. I also repeat that Washington, Hamilton, Adams, and Jefferson all wanted some form of public education available to the sons of the non-wealthy. History does not disprove my assertion if examined fully and not limited to exerpted time periods and areas.

You must also take into account the vast changes which occurred in our society. While it was not important for a farmer to know anything more than rudimentary reading and writing it was very important once life moved away from the isolated farms and to urban areas. The ban of American politics has always been the RAT control of the votes of the uneducated in the big city political machines.
125 posted on 10/22/2002 10:28:50 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Liberty Teeth
As I said, if there is something you wish to bring to my notice from those links post it.

So you agree with my main point. This woman is a nutjob unworthy of the support of the anti-Staters and h.s. advocates.
126 posted on 10/22/2002 10:31:45 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Liberty Teeth
This case was brought to our attention by those who are hysterically anti-State and anti-Public Education and no one else. They must live or die by their examples and heroines.
127 posted on 10/22/2002 10:33:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: AppyPappy
No, your's are. There, run rings around you logically.

Are you saying that you disagree with Hillary on how it "takes a village" to raise a child?

128 posted on 10/22/2002 10:56:13 AM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: FormerLurker
Of course I disagree with Hillary.
129 posted on 10/22/2002 11:07:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I don't know enough about this case to make that call. However, her tactics may be just enough to help keep the attention on her situation, whether you find it kooky or not.

We have a situation here in Charlotte where a guy is raising a ruckus with the DSS and he has found a way to drag the media into it. And wouldn't you know, the DSS is having to defend their practices, all because of one 'Kook.'
130 posted on 10/22/2002 2:06:29 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: Liberty Teeth
I have no problem with exposure of corrupt or crazy government practices but something as important as childrens' education should not be in the hands of the uneducated and goofy.
131 posted on 10/22/2002 2:47:41 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You are correct with regard to the rise of state run education in New England following at the time the power of the Congregationalist churches declined. Home schoooling did occur outside of the area of dense settlement and in what we would now call the lower grades. It is interesting to note that the impetus for public schools started not in Vermont or New Hampshire, where the Congregationalists faced strong competition from the Baptist and Methodist churches, but in Massachusetts, where Unitarianism and later Deism became popular among the upper classes and the intellectuals. It was Unitarians and Deists, and not non-Calvinist Protestants, who were the initial supporters of transfering education to the state.

It is worthy to note that the Catholic school system developed beginning in the mid-1800s as a means of preserving the Catholic faith against State sponsored schools that were either secular or generically Protestant (King James Bible readings, anti-Catholic history books).

The Middle Atlantic colonies (NY, NJ, PA, DE) were ethnically and religiously diverse from their inception, unlike the predominantly English and Puritan cast of the New England colonies. Yet educational standards were high in this area, without either a dominant denomination or a state run educational system.

As for the South, the slavery and plantation system did inhibit the growth of a middle class, and the disdain much of the planter aristocracy had for trade and commerce also hurt the Southern economy. Yet the Southern side of the Civil War produced some degree of technological innovation (ironclad ships, submarines). The defeat of the Confederacy was due to the superior industry and manpower resources of the Union, a result of the pro-commerce and business attitudes of the North. State run education was in its infancy and still mostly confined to New England at the time the shots were fired at Fort Sumter.

There were a few state sponsored universities in the early days of the Republic, such as the University of Virginia, but, prior to the mid 19th Century, taxpayer supported primary and secondary schools and colleges were a rarity. Some Founders did support the concept of higher education for the sons of poor or middling families; however, it was not their intention to establish a state-run educational network, except for the military academies. That taxpayer supported schools were generally not established for the first 80 years of the Republic is indicative of the attitude of the Founders' generation and that of their successors.

As for the issue of the franchise, it was mostly restricted to free white men prior to 1860; thus, the vast majority of adults could not vote. However, within this free white male group, property barriers were minimal to the franchise in the New England and Middle Atlantic states. The New York newspapers, like modern day news magazines such as Time or Newsweek, were in general circulation throughout the country. The Federalist Papers were not an intellectual exercise, but were written for the specific purpose of persuading voters. The Anti-Federalsts used the same techniques of writing articles in newspapers of general circulation. However, their arguments were less persuasive in the court of public opinion.

Education is important to the improvement of society. However, in the period when America did more faithfully adhere to the concepts of limited government and division of powers (1783-1860), the state's role in education was minimal or nonexistent.

132 posted on 10/22/2002 3:01:01 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Just as you swallow the hysterical hyperbole about the Public school system. That system has been partially responsible for creating the most powerful nation in the history of the world. That system which has allowed people from across the globe an education which helped them create lives envied by people from every quarter.

While partially true(in the past aka pre-NEA), this nations average test scores against other nations has been steadily going down for decades. A high school education in the past is about equal to a college one now, relatively.

Are you against homeschooling?

Many parents are capable of homeschooling their children if they have the time. There are many benefits as well. Ability to learn at an accelerated rate, better chosen curriculum(sp?), etc.

133 posted on 10/22/2002 3:47:52 PM PDT by Mordoch
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To: Truant Mom

I remember reading about a mom in the old Soviet Union where she was sent to Siberia because she taught her four little children about Jesus.
134 posted on 10/22/2002 4:07:49 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: EdReform; homeschool mama; 2Jedismom; Ohioan; Irish Queen; Stand Watch Listen; Saundra Duffy; ...
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135 posted on 10/22/2002 4:42:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Truant Mom
The basis for the children being taken into custody was educational neglect

What they werent being taught the writting of da fuhrer

erkläre zu, das furer hatte Sie gesprochen unterrichtet, was Verstandnumbing rheteric ich Ihnen oder Sie für treason des Zustandes festgehalten werden

136 posted on 10/22/2002 4:46:21 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Straight Vermonter
Let's not forget Karen Maple and her son, Trevor. Karen was exonerated by the VT Supreme Court in May 2000.

The similarities between the Maple case and Mrs. O'Dell's are astonishing!

137 posted on 10/22/2002 4:48:58 PM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: AppyPappy
"Clearly this lady is not playing with a full deck."

People like you said the same thing about Karen Maple. Karen was eventually exonerated by the VT Supreme Court in May 2000. Mrs. O'Dell's case and Karen Maple's case are nearly identical.

A 'wall of silence' has been thrown up around Mrs. O'Dell's case because it is an election year here in Vermont and the liberal Democrats know that if her story hits the media (which it is about to do in full force via TV) it will spell bad news for some candidates and their cronies!

What is your 'real' beef here, AppyPappy?

138 posted on 10/22/2002 5:06:30 PM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: RGSpincich
What's the matter, RGSpincich? Didn't your momma love you?
139 posted on 10/22/2002 5:18:14 PM PDT by Truant Mom
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To: Truant Mom
Educational Neglect say Constitutionally Challenged Judges in Vermont! Has Hillary written a new book, "It takes a Courtroom", on her Cradle to the Grave socialist dream?
140 posted on 10/22/2002 5:42:37 PM PDT by madfly
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