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Chief Moose Asks Sniper to Call Them Back - Beltway Sniper left a note at Restaurant last night!
FOX News Channel | October 20, 2002 | FOX News Channel

Posted on 10/20/2002 4:10:41 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP

Chief Moose Asks Sniper to Call Them Back
Beltway Sniper attempted contact last night !

Very short press conference where he simply states that the Beltway Sniper attempted contact and Chief Moose requested that he call them back.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: beltwaysniper; moose
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To: Moose-Owie
"Which at this point is inconclusive."

When it is conclusive, we won't be talking about this subject.

For now, if you feel that there is no evidence pointing to MET's, is there any evidence pointing away from them?

If it's a 50/50 shot in your mind, would you spend half your resources on each possibility? I don't think we are.
961 posted on 10/20/2002 11:44:09 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
For now, if you feel that there is no evidence pointing to MET's, is there any evidence pointing away from them?

Therefore, we should presume that they are guilty? I thought we went down this road earlier. Do you really want to create a nation where people are presumed guilty and then must prove their innocence?

962 posted on 10/20/2002 11:47:26 PM PDT by Moose-Owie
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To: Moose-Owie
"twisting data to fit a statement"

I wish I had so data to twist. The only data I have are 9 dead, 3 wounded.

Would like me to get out my list of threats from MET's. It's rather long.
963 posted on 10/20/2002 11:47:37 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Moose-Owie
We're not talking about hanging anyone, we're talking about who to investigate. You certainly have a one track mind.
964 posted on 10/20/2002 11:49:30 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
I wish I had so data to twist.

Are you admitting that there isn't ENOUGH data???

965 posted on 10/20/2002 11:50:19 PM PDT by Moose-Owie
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To: aristeides; thinden; honway; piasa; John Jamieson
Finally found it.

Terrorist Cleric's Son In Gitmo?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/620477/posts

Ahmed Abdel-Rahman was captured in Afghanistan last month by anti-Taliban forces. Vice President Cheney has indicated he is likely to face a U.S. military commission.

Abdullah Abdel-Rahman said it appeared anti-Taliban forces had turned over all their prisoners to the United States. He said he had heard reports that his brother was in U.S. military detention at Guantanamo.

Members of Egypt's parliament have demanded the government report to the People's Assembly on nine alleged Egyptian Al Qaeda members, including the sheik's son, detained by the United States, the London-based pan-Arab newspaper Asharq al-Awsat reported.

Another son of the sheik, Mohamed Abdel-Rahman, was reported dead last month after he was wounded in the bombardment of Afghanistan's Tora Bora caves.

U.S. officials believe the two sons, in Afghanistan since 1989, were senior members of Al Qaeda, the terror group led by Osama Bin Laden. But Abdullah Abdel-Rahman has denied that, saying the group his father led and to which his brothers belonged, al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya, had several differences with Al Qaeda.

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That story was published 02-02-02.

Then this one showed up on 02-26-02:

Of 500 Prisoners From Afghanistan, None Look Like Candidates For Military Tribunal, Pentagon Says
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/635549/posts

Of the nearly 500 prisoners from the war in Afghanistan, the Pentagon says it has found none that might be suitable for the new military tribunals.

(snip)

President Bush in early November approved the use of special military tribunals that could put accused terrorists on trial faster and in greater secrecy than an ordinary criminal court. The Pentagon says it will be up to Bush to decide who goes to the tribunal, and Pentagon lawyers have been working to write rules for anyone Bush might choose.

I don't know if this was a refusal to bargain or not--or even a counter offer, if you read the rest of the article--or whether we'd already traded him.

But note that the first email about Daniel Pearl's kidnapping was received the preceding Sunday (before news of Rahman's capture was published), and the last one was received on Wednesday, 01-30-02. My guess is Pearl was killed because we refused to trade. After all, that was the MO in the past when Sheik Omar Saeed himself was freed by hijacking the Indian airliner.

If I'm right and we still have him custody, that may be who they are after.

It also might explain the trip to Gitmo.

And it fits with what J.J. said about Rahman being called The Sword.

966 posted on 10/20/2002 11:52:02 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Moose-Owie
I tried to discuss this rationally with you, but I should have known better than to discuss terrorism with a person who uses the name of a terrorist as their handle.

Good night!
967 posted on 10/20/2002 11:52:59 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
Do you really believe that LE is NOT investigating all leads based on their evidence? Do you really believe that LE is excluding any possible ME people just because it might be PC?

Remember that these same LE live in the areas targeted by the shooter. And many of their family and friends live in these areas as well.

I sincerely think that they are investigating all possible connections, whomever they may be. jmo

If not, then they are endangering not only their lives but those of their families and friends, and I do not believe they would do that just to be PC.

I have spoken to my neighbors and they do not see this as being ME terrorists. I have spoken to my brother and sister in-law (they are both in LE) and they do not see this as ME terrorists either, (AT THIS POINT, BASED ON EVIDENCE GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC!)

968 posted on 10/20/2002 11:58:42 PM PDT by Moose-Owie
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To: John Jamieson
I tried to discuss this rationally with you, but I should have known better than to discuss terrorism with a person who uses the name of a terrorist as their handle.

No. You haven't even tried to be rational at all as evidenced by your attack on my 'handle' which pokes fun at a terrorist's name.

But, yes, it's late. Good night. Check under your bed and in your closet so you don't have to worry about MET's while you are trying to sleep. :)

969 posted on 10/21/2002 12:04:02 AM PDT by Moose-Owie
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To: Moose-Owie; John Jamieson
If you want to say it's not METs because it might activate other middle eastern terrorist cells, fine. It's not MET.

If you want to say it's not METs so the bastards don't have the satisfation of succeeding at our expense, fine. It's not MET.

If you want to say it's not METs because you're protecting some crucial evidence, fine. It's not METs.

Just don't say you know what's going on.

Because when even Terry Lenzer says "it's terrorism" as he did today on Fox with Tony Snow...it's terrorism.

970 posted on 10/21/2002 12:32:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If you want to say it's not METs because you're protecting some crucial evidence, fine. It's not METs.

Not protecting crucial evidence. Just WAITING for crucial evidence.

And it IS terrorism, just too soon to say whether it is ME terrorism or homegrown terrorism.

971 posted on 10/21/2002 12:43:28 AM PDT by Moose-Owie
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Because when even Terry Lenzer says "it's terrorism" as he did today on Fox with Tony Snow...it's terrorism.

When I saw both Terry Lenzer and Bill Gertz in the space of 5 minutes admit that, that's exactly what I thought too.

972 posted on 10/21/2002 12:47:37 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: MHGinTN
Was the message written in German on the Tarot card? There is a rumor ...

Someone said that early in this thread, but several of us couldn't find any actual confirmation of that, so it seems to be a rumor at this point. The person who said it seemed to confuse it with what one of the Columbine shooters wrote in German.

973 posted on 10/21/2002 12:54:44 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I just got on this thread, so someone else may have the same opinion--My nightly news said more than one tarot card may have been left. Someone with tarot deck who shoots are people at gas stations, Home Depot and restaurant seems to me to be a eco-terrorist who is protesting gas guzzlers, wood used for building and people who eat beef. Wasn't there a WTO protest in D.C. recently? Eco-terrorists from many parts of contry congregated there; it would have been easy for a few of them to decide to go on a shooting rampage playing God, protesting modern civilization.
974 posted on 10/21/2002 12:57:53 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: PoisedWoman
Interesting point. Someone earlier mentioned ELF, though I'm still leaning to ME, myself. But tarot would fit in more with the type you've mentioned.
975 posted on 10/21/2002 1:04:24 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
I wonder what the note says...my local tv news reported there was "considerable text." Seems an unlikely move for ME terrorist. I'm betting on a Uni-sniper type who wants to get his/her message out.

Like alQaeda, the ELF creeps are all holier-than-thou types, playing God would come quite naturally to them. Interesting that Moose was in Oregon on his last assignment, perhaps he is familiar with tactics of ecofascists. Also, any big WTO protest brings freaks from other countries...which might account for peculiar wording, "dear policeman." We shall see.
976 posted on 10/21/2002 1:34:12 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: texasbluebell
I'm sort of in love with my Unisniper theory...looked up the Unibomber Manifesto and it fits right in. You can read the entire abominable thing at at http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~rahul/Misc/unibomber.html

"4. We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence: it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades. We can't predict any of that. But we do outline in a very general way the measures that those who hate the industrial system should take in order to prepare the way for a revolution against that form of society. This is not to be a POLITICAL revolution. Its object will be to overthrow not governments but the economic and technological basis of the present society."

977 posted on 10/21/2002 1:44:00 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: MeeknMing
Wow! This is news! Thanks for the ping, MnM!
978 posted on 10/21/2002 2:17:00 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: KsSunflower
This is a board for posting opinions - just my opinion.

This sniper is much more clever than the authorities realized. He seems very professional: deliberating, careful and absolutely dedicated to his mission (cold-hearted) - just like Lonnie Horiuchi, the FBI sniper who calously shot to death a woman holding a baby in her arms.

This guy has been very well trained and does not appear, to me, to be the type to "play" with the authorities. Once we know who trained him, we can start understanding this sniper. Before that time, all these so-called media "experts" and "profilers" are just pissin in the wind.

979 posted on 10/21/2002 2:31:45 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CharacterCounts
Moose claims to be in charge of this show.
980 posted on 10/21/2002 2:33:07 AM PDT by Dante3
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