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To: independentmind
I'm not divorced, not married and don't have any children.

The best "authorities" on child rearing are always people who don't have any of their own...

28 posted on 10/20/2002 9:17:28 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
I'm not an authority on child-rearing, nor was I offering any advice on the subject. It's interesting, though, that you think a single woman should have no standing on this issue.

In case you haven't noticed, this country is raising children today that are little more than barbarians. Use your imagination and think about why a single woman might be particulary cncerned about that development.

32 posted on 10/20/2002 9:23:05 AM PDT by independentmind
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The best "authorities" on child rearing are always people who don't have any of their own...

The best way to avoid substantive debate is a misdirection predicated on attacking the messanger, not the message.

I do have have kids of my own. I raise them quite well with my wife of 10 years. And, I have 20 nieces and nephews, and not all of them are as well raised, but some are.

In my family, three of my four brothers are divorced, and at least two of them are very bitter men because of the child support they must pay. (They view it as cash payments to some bitch they hate, who won't use it on the kids). They might be right.

The problem is, of course, tht they are making those payments because they had children, who need and deserve support. Now, it may well be thet both of thos wives are real bitches, total jerks, complete users, cheaters, etc. Well, perhaps choosing to marry them, commit for life, and have children, was not a great idea. You see, the problem here is that virtually none of these divorces has one player totally at fault, and one innocent victim. (Hell, even if you were the model husband, and she left you for a drug convict, you at least have to be blamed for poor investigation and judgment.) Marriage isn't for everyone, and perhaps too many dive right in. And that's fine, it's a free country. But if you are fool enough to get married without understanding the depth of the decision and committment, then at least try to figure out the situation before bringing an innocent party into the matter.

One poster had it right, when you choose to use the State's tool of marriage to have the benefits of same inure to you, the state has an interest, whether you like it or not. But there is no question that the state has an interest in the children who, if not cared by the adults, becomes a ward of the state. (By the way, we are all the state. That means your kid lives off my money.)

Children from divorced homes who are raised by sigle parents are a burden on the state. They are less educated, more prone to crime and violence, and in general, they exact costs from the state. But more impoprtantly, many simply miss the opportunity to be raised in an environment with a mother and father selflessly dedicated to the kids. (That's the real cost). And as may wife and I are the youngest of 7 siblings in each family, we can sure see the difference between the kids of divorce, and the kids raised in these stable homes.

I am sorry some of you out there had real bad marriages. And I am really sorry that some of you are paying through the nose to some woman you believe is 100% at fault. But, it ain't the kids fault, and it sure aint the state's fault that the two of you shouldn't have gotten together, and damned sure shouldn't have had kids. Quit your belly aching, pay what you can, and be the best damn dad you can be no matter the circumstances. And stop scapegoating the state.

159 posted on 10/20/2002 11:31:32 AM PDT by Iron Eagle
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