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Nation's last major shirt plant closes, production moves overseas
AP via Boston.com ^ | 10/18/2002 15:49 | David Sharp

Posted on 10/18/2002 3:58:43 PM PDT by ozone1

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:08:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WATERVILLE, Maine (AP) A last-ditch attempt to save the nation's last major shirt manufacturing plant ran out of steam as sewing machines came to a halt Friday at the plant whose shirts were made world-famous by the man-with-an-eyepatch logo.

C.F. Hathaway, which has been making shirts in Maine for 165 years, will go the way of Arrow and Van Heusen, once strong competitors whose shirts are now being made overseas.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: hathaway; maine; taxes; taxreform
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To: FITZ
Find that guy and kick him out. Where is he exactly?
161 posted on 10/19/2002 9:27:50 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
However, most of the new jobs are not readily available to laid-off garment workers, many of whom are middle-aged women who lack high-school diplomas and who speak little or no English.

Glenn said job-training programs continue to be inadequate for the garment workers, most of whom are Spanish speakers, and he called on government officials to do more for trade-displaced workers.

This is from a local newspaper article about the 1,200 more laid off garment workers here just this week (making a total of about 14,000 local jobs gone). The answers always seem to be about demanding more taxpayer-provided "help" but never to follow their jobs back into Mexico which is where these people came from in the first place.

162 posted on 10/19/2002 9:32:53 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Mike-o-Matic
Running a pushbutton cash register is a computer skill??!? Damn. That's sad.

Understanding how the transactions conducted on that POS station are networked, deconstructed and used by Central or Regional operations staff to fashion purchasing, warehousing, inventory planning and merchandising strategies IS a skill. Knowing how that business operates is a skill. Merchandising psychology is a science and an art. Understanding what items affect the store's P&L most favorably, which items deliver traffic, what items comprise what volume and what margin at what time of day is BECOMING A PROFESSIONAL.

Retail gurus know how to conduct commerce. They're damn good.

163 posted on 10/19/2002 9:42:37 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
I'm staying here and loving America. Nobody can do anything TO me.

No one is trying to do anything bad to you here. I just do not understand how you can love this (or any other country) if the profit is your primary objective.

You said that you are in the "richest, safest, healthiest and most prosperous free" country. Is it the reason for your "love"? What if this country becomes poorer, less safe, healthy and prosperous?

This is exactly what I meant, people who "love" something or somebody because it is profitable to them will "love" their country or parents until the moment when help or sacrifice is needed. Then they go to the greener pastures.

164 posted on 10/19/2002 9:44:42 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: FITZ
Garment workers are officially extinct Fitz. They're like ice delivery men and elevator operators.

Like the Phoenix, they can rise again if they desire.

I have trust that all the workers will eat tonight, they will put gas in their car, and they will find some other way to support the needs of themselves and their family

Seems like a good time to do a more thorough and introspective search IMO.

165 posted on 10/19/2002 9:49:53 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: A. Pole
Are you a socialist or what?
166 posted on 10/19/2002 9:50:46 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: A. Pole
I don't mean that as a personal slur, is that your economic model for wealth and freedom? It's not scary to me, the concept is not exactly new.
167 posted on 10/19/2002 9:53:23 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
A very large percent of them have found permanent welfare. I know that blows the image of the hard working immigrant who refuses to accept a handout but all you need to do is take a tour of some of the border counties housing projects and welfare offices. Yes there are a handful of hardworking immigrants but here those seem to be a minority. 38% of this town is receiving some kind of government handout.
168 posted on 10/19/2002 9:54:58 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: ArneFufkin
Are you a socialist or what?

You can classify my views as social conservative. I think that free-marketeers are not any better than socialists. For me family, religion and nation comes before the market and profit.

169 posted on 10/19/2002 9:55:16 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: ozone1
Ummmm...

The article failed to mention where the plant is moving "To"...any idea?

SR

170 posted on 10/19/2002 10:05:40 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Batrachian
The free trade wouldn't be so bad if the burden of government wasn't so great. You hear everyone carping about how its cheap labor carting off the jobs and thats a load. Labor frequently is between 1-5% of the cost of products whose manufacture has moved out of country. The cost of government OTOH is at least in the 20-40% range on an average big ticket item...
171 posted on 10/19/2002 10:16:05 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: A. Pole
If you recall that Maslow pyramid of human need, the first level is safety and security.

Without income, without means ... there's no security.

Nothing is more important than water, food, shelter and defending the lives of our family and friends.

There's no food without money. There's no shelter without income. There's no community or nation without the taxes levied on income. If an employer can't earn a profit, he can't provide a job. Profit is at the very heart and sould of our freedom, security and remarkable enlightenment. Profit is a human desire, it shows success, skill and acumen.

The best cave man, the best hunter and leader, warranted the best cuts of flesh and ripest fruits. That's profit. He's the best, he works the hardest, he studies his hunting approach continuously, he adapts and innovates and perfects his skill.

Not much has changed. The people who excel in business - any important goal in life - break down their work process, assess their performance, and tweak a new approach or outlook with the overriding goal of providing win-win value. Daily.

Nobody is going to be a third generation taconite miner in the lifetime womb of the steelworker union anymore. That's that. Show your wares, they better have some value add or the Somalis, Hondurans, Mexicans, Thai and Russian newbies will pass you by. Your call.

172 posted on 10/19/2002 10:17:13 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: A. Pole
For me family, religion and nation comes before the market and profit.

They work together the best. The rotten economy we're heading into is the global economy. Quick profits of the 90s are now poofing into thin air. It's going to get worse as more and more unemployed Americans can't afford to buy the cheap foreign goods Walmart and Target have to offer. The Mexicans and Chinese can't afford them either. The stock market isn't doing well in spite of all the promises made, our 401K plans won't provide much for our retirements and neither will Social Security.

173 posted on 10/19/2002 10:31:29 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: IronJack
The biggest variable has to be labor costs.


It is not, it is cost of government that makes us non competitive.

Just do the math, if the shirtmaker cranks out 10 shirts an hour and gets paid 10 bucks an hour the labor is only $1\shirt, and you know that shirt is going to sell between 15 and 30 bucks at least.

Same for everything else, labor is the smallest percentage of cost, and to boot, we have the most productive labor...
174 posted on 10/19/2002 10:34:43 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: FITZ
A very large percent of them have found permanent welfare. I know that blows the image of the hard working immigrant who refuses to accept a handout but all you need to do is take a tour of some of the border counties housing projects and welfare offices. Yes there are a handful of hardworking immigrants but here those seem to be a minority. 38% of this town is receiving some kind of government handout

When's enough enough? At some point you have to tell the civil servants and pols who are crafting this policy that you are mad as hell..

It's your job to recruit neighbors friends and family to systematically identify the entites, processes and authority under which the policy was crafted, the total menu and cost of services available to criminal tresspassers, and why are criminal aliens entitled to one penny of taxpayer money? It's a political puzzle, you gotta use the political and judicial system to solve it.

I'll bet the authority comes from some bench ruling in California, and every state agency adopted the policy, and no AG or County Attorney bothered to challenge the ruling. That's unacceptable.

175 posted on 10/19/2002 11:19:08 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
single benefit to an employer

That's the whole point the employeers are investing and creating the jobs overseas. Everybody can't be a lawyer,politician or computer hacker. Yes we can compete with uneducated mexicans fresh across the border if you want to work for $6.00 an hour.

As for fair taxes there wasn't any income tax until 1929. The government's money came from those pesky tariffs on foreign goods that enabled american workers to compete with cheap foreign labor and products and produce the highest standard of living in the world. This is what free trade ablolished.

How the heck can you fight a war against people who make the very things you need to defend yourself with. We all know who is responsible for 9/11 where the people really come from and where they get their money. We know why our country critizies Israel for doing the same thing that we are doing it's because we need the oil. If we didn't Israel would be given a free hand and our country would have already made a parking lot out of Saudi Arabia.

.Big business has invested billions of dollars overseas in countries that are hostile to our very way of life and none of our political leaders are not going to do one thing to them if it's going to upset their bottom line.

The man who lives in one country and invest's his money in the countries of his enemies just so he can increase his profit margin is a fool.

176 posted on 10/19/2002 11:27:45 AM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: Axenolith
we have the most productive labor

Not in textiles. Productivity without profit is useless.

177 posted on 10/19/2002 11:33:19 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: mississippi red-neck
First ... ANYONE can be a lawyer or politician. Have you seen Julia Carson's carnival act? It's like street theatre on the corner of Florence and Normandy. There has to be one smarter human in that Indianapolis district.

We're open for business, world wide. If Laotians want to make shirts for $14, I'll cede them that buisness and I'll pay that for their work. We outsource the production of disposable cameras, electronic devices, televisions and cheap knick knacks and toy stuff. We make a lot of stuff that pays for a lot of jobs and competes best in class in the market. Boeing. Toro. Anheuser Busch. Mars. Emerson. J&J. P&G. Medtronic. Ford Motor. Northrop Grumman. Dell. TI. Bechtel. DuPont. Merck. Eaton. SuperValu. American Airlines. Etc. Etc. Etc. Makin' shit that people pay real money to have.

178 posted on 10/19/2002 11:53:55 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: mississippi red-neck
The man who lives in one country and invest's his money in the countries of his enemies just so he can increase his profit margin is a fool.

I think that there is another word for that.

179 posted on 10/19/2002 12:42:44 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: ArneFufkin
Yes but the electronic parts that makes our planes fly our computers work our cars and tanks roll our household aplliiances, washers dryers, refrigirstiors, tv's, electical power grids, your clothing and soon your food ect.etc.,are all in the hands of countries who increasingly see the U.S. as an evil empire. The government keeps getting bigger and demanding more money to operate and the better paying jobs of the working class that supplies the tax base keeps getting smaller.

I remember when the Soviet Union collapsed almost overnight I told my co- workers the same thing could happen here. I alsi told them that the way jobs where going overseas the same could happen to us. They laughed and said that our plant and the plant next door where two of the largest in the world and we made our products cheaper and better than any one in the U.S.,which was true.

This was nine years ago. I'm now retired. The plant next door shut down about a year ago 3900 top paying jobs not counting the support businesses in the area our plant had 4200 good paying good benefit jobs. There's 700 left with an uncertain future. These plants where in the area for almost 50 years and they weren't clothing. The jobs went to Red China. Now our defence department is considering replacing our cruise missle with the Sunburn one from Red China.

It's not me I'm worried about I had a good job that gave me a good retirement it's the younger people and our country's future that bothers me. The only thing that's staved off hard times so far has benn the fact that instead of one member of the family working to pay taxes and make a decent living for their family like I did ,is that now it takes both husband and wifes just to makes ends meet and these are people with the same or better education than I had.

The good paying jobs just aren't there. Our government continues to grow and needs more from it's people and the people continue to need more from the government. Something is going to give sooner or later.

180 posted on 10/19/2002 12:52:34 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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