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Man who killed burglar jailed
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | (Filed: 17/10/2002) | UNK

Posted on 10/17/2002 7:27:03 AM PDT by SWO

A man who stabbed to death a burglar he found in his family's home has been jailed for five years.

Barry-Lee Hastings, 25, stabbed Roger Williams, 35, a total of 12 times after mistaking a crowbar in his hand for a machete. But Old Bailey Judge Brian Barker told Hastings that he had gone too far and his actions were not justified.

Hastings, of Wood Green, north London, was found guilty of manslaughter last month and remanded for reports. His family shouted "This country stinks" as he was led away and said later they would appeal.

They were backed by supporters of farmer Tony Martin who was jailed for shooting dead a burglar.

Judge Barker told Hastings he had repeatedly stabbed Mr Williams in the back, the majority of the attack taking place outside the house when the possibility of danger was over.

He said: "What you did could not possibly have been done while you were still under threat. You had gone into the attack and you were engaged in retaliation.

"Although Roger Williams was a burglar and had no right to be there, a householder is not entitled to use more than reasonable force to defend himself. His presence did not justify the actions you took.

"No one can fail to have sympathy for a householder or visitor who without warning found himself in the position you did when you reached the front door."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; rhodesia; secondamendment; selfdefense; sheep; tonymartin; uk
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Best joke of the week award daylate! LOL!!
42 posted on 10/17/2002 10:06:40 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: for-q-clinton
Yep, stabbing an armed burglar in the back in England, is like shooting someone in the back in the US as he was running away from you.

Seems to me that if an unskilled person is grappling with an opponent and they are clinched, the stab wounds would likely to be to the opponent's back.

43 posted on 10/17/2002 10:15:18 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: spinneyhead
Spinneyhead, any comments? Still happy UK subjects are unarmed? Ever been wacked in the head with a crowbar?
44 posted on 10/17/2002 11:11:38 AM PDT by ibbryn
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To: SFBiker80814
Thank God this attitude did not permeate in WW II.....

Victim disarmament had gone pretty far by 1939. The UK begged for small arms. American hunters obliged. After the war, rather than returning these precious tools of freedom, the brits used 'em as rebar. Thanks a lot.

45 posted on 10/17/2002 11:26:25 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: MadIvan
"This country stinks"
46 posted on 10/17/2002 11:31:25 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
"This country stinks"

Correction: the present government stinks.

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 10/17/2002 2:09:16 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Phantom Lord
When I was in London last summer I noticed that a lot of concrete walls around homes and apartment buildings had broken glass mixed in the concrete. The reasons are obvoius.

Yeah, I was just down in Newcastle and Sunderland yesterday and noticed a bood bit of that myself.

48 posted on 10/18/2002 6:45:14 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
bood bit = good bit
49 posted on 10/18/2002 6:47:23 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: spinneyhead
Where are you getting your stats? The really amazing info is the amazing increase in British and Ausi crime SINCE the gun bans. Before that it was fairly stable, with slight ups and downs, but your governent's own reports show an explosion of violent crime recently. What's up with that?

I enjoyed my time in England/Ireland. My only regret is that I was there before I really understood and appreciated good beer.

and I don't need to be armed to feel safe, but that's just me.

51 posted on 10/21/2002 10:11:23 AM PDT by ibbryn
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